The Future of Lakewood

[WAM]

Tom's River is batul to Lakewood.

Tom's River is punkt the future of Lakewood.

[YitzyS]

Tom's River is batul to Lakewood.

*Getting even angrier than livid emoji*

[WAM]

*Getting even angrier than livid emoji*

Go to Lakewood and learn some mussar. It'll help you with the midda of ka'as.

[YitzyS]

Go to Lakewood and learn some mussar. It'll help you with the midda of ka'as.

Why Lakewood? Isn't Toms River a suburb of Philly?

[WAM]

Why Lakewood? Isn't Toms River a suburb of Philly?

You're not on a high enough level to feel Lakewood in Tom's River. If you start learning mussar in Lakewood, after a week you should start feeling the kedusha in Tom's River

[liosac]

I think some Toms River residents may be very insulted that you are posting about them in a Lakewood thread. Do people post about Deal people in a Lakewood thread? How come people conflate Lakewood residents and Toms River residents?!

Half this thread is about Westgate which is practically in Jackson. Until Toms River and Jackson fully build out their own frum infrastructure- schools, retail, etc. so that Toms River residents shop in Toms River stores, their kids go to Toms River schools, and their drivers stop clogging up Lakewood roads, they are all effectively part of Lakewood and it’s future.

[YitzyS]

I'm amused that this is evolving into a serious conversation. My posts were intended at poking fun at what I perceive is a desire among some Toms River residents to be separate from Lakewood, specifically in terms of politics. They want to portray to the secular community - perhaps wisely - that we are not them, and don't think we are coming here to overpopulate and make traffic.

Just one case in point - when they started some sort of vaad, there was a meeting of rabbonim. Rav Malkiel Kotler was in attendance, because they wanted his guidance and direction. But they specifically didn't release pictures of Rav Malkiel there (not just to the *oop who never posts pictures of the Rosh Yeshiva, but even to other outlets), because they didn't want the wider community to see them as just an extension of Lakewood.

I don't live in Toms River, and my posts were meant to be funny. I guess I sometimes miss the mark. 

[Sam 77]

https://lnnnews.com/statements-regarding-last-nights-altercation/

[WAM]

I don't live in Toms River, and my posts were meant to be funny. I guess I sometimes miss the mark. 

Likewise

[YitzyS]

Really interesting opinion from the NJ Appellate Division yesterday, which could be a green light to many more wedding halls popping up around you.

https://www.njcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-opinions/2023/a3509-20.pdf

What's especially significant is that after they rejected the appeal for a bunch of technical reasons, they added that a paragraph stating specifically that a Simcha Hall is an accessory to a school and does not need any variance. (This is the last paragraph of the the opinion, on page 9.) This basically means that since schools are allowable use in ANY Lakewood district, a hall could be built in any school and the board is legally obligated to approve it.

[aygart]

and the board is legally obligated to approve it.

I think it means you need planning not zoning or maybe the other way around.

[Sam 77]

Really interesting opinion from the NJ Appellate Division yesterday, which could be a green light to many more wedding halls popping up around you.

https://www.njcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-opinions/2023/a3509-20.pdf

What's especially significant is that after they rejected the appeal for a bunch of technical reasons, they added that a paragraph stating specifically that a Simcha Hall is an accessory to a school and does not need any variance. (This is the last paragraph of the the opinion, on page 9.) This basically means that since schools are allowable use in ANY Lakewood district, a hall could be built in any school and the board is legally obligated to approve it.

https://lnnnews.com/nj-appellate-court-rules-simcha-halls-are-valid-accessory-use-to-schools-no-variance-needed/

[jye]

[Definitions]

I always wonder what the beliefs of these young adults/kids are. I'd love to take a poll.

[Euclid]

I always wonder what the beliefs of these young adults/kids are. I'd love to take a poll.

"beliefs"?

[Definitions]

"beliefs"?

Yes. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the quotes. That it's not set at the moment by them? If so, then that's included

[Euclid]

Yes. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the quotes. That it's not set at the moment by them? If so, then that's included

I just wasn't sure what you meant by that...

[YitzyS]

Really interesting opinion from the NJ Appellate Division yesterday, which could be a green light to many more wedding halls popping up around you.

https://www.njcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-opinions/2023/a3509-20.pdf

What's especially significant is that after they rejected the appeal for a bunch of technical reasons, they added that a paragraph stating specifically that a Simcha Hall is an accessory to a school and does not need any variance. (This is the last paragraph of the the opinion, on page 9.) This basically means that since schools are allowable use in ANY Lakewood district, a hall could be built in any school and the board is legally obligated to approve it.

https://lakewoodalerts.com/explainer-no-a-judge-didnt-just-legalize-all-simcha-halls-in-schools/

[Euclid]

https://www.faanews.com/2023/03/breaking-news-appellate-division-gives.html

[Euclid]

https://www.faanews.com/2023/03/breaking-news-appellate-division-gives.html

https://twitter.com/OneJerseySchorr/status/1632775248398413824