Its Open Season on Jews

[CountValentine]

Round & round

If you stop trying to make believe this didn't/doesn't happen we would not have to go round and round.

[TimT]

Does WG consider Nissim Black white ?

[CountValentine]

I have no problem with anyone saying that bigotry against Jews is not racial but some other form of bigotry...

I agree.

[TimT]

If you stop trying to make believe this didn't/doesn't happen we would not have to go round and round.

You're misunderstanding

[CountValentine]

Does WG consider Nissim Black white ?

No, he would be black. She bases it on color.
What race would you say he is?

[CountValentine]

You're misunderstanding

Very possible.

[jj1000]

No, he would be black. She bases it on color.

That only changes skin color

This seems to line up.

[SSLPhD]

That only changes skin color which you all decided does not have anything to do with race.

Not at all. I would argue that there is a bigger picture.

Also, I've read/watched about two women that grew up thinking they were white and found out as adults that they had African heritage.  One decided to continue to identify as white, the other decided to change her identity.

[aygart]

If a Yemeni jew owns a business is it considered minority owned? How about someone whose mother is Yemeni

[AsherO]

If a Yemeni jew owns a business is it considered minority owned? How about someone whose mother is Yemeni

What minority is that? They aren’t considered black like Africans, Yemen is part of Asia. Maybe you should ask about Ethiopians.

[CountValentine]

Not at all. I would argue that there is a bigger picture.

Also, I've read/watched about two women that grew up thinking they were white and found out as adults that they had African heritage.  One decided to continue to identify as white, the other decided to change her identity.

So race is based on what one chooses?

I hope you all understand why someone be confused.

[EliJelly]

I hope you all understand why someone be confused.

Yea exactly! All the outrage was just because she was confused and not educated enough.

Her saying "Well, this is White people doing it to White people, so y'all gonna fight amongst yourselves," was maybe not so bad at all.

[aygart]

So race is based on what one chooses?

I hope you all understand why someone be confused.

There are definitely those who feel we should disregard biology

[CountValentine]

Her saying "Well, this is White people doing it to White people, so y'all gonna fight amongst yourselves," was maybe not so bad at all.

The last part was bad.

[Yehuda57]

The last part was bad.

The last part comes because of the first part.

[CountValentine]

The last part comes because of the first part.

Will just disagree. 

[Yehuda57]

Will just disagree. 

I don't think we disagree on this all that much.

Let me break it down like this:

Until proven otherwise, we can assume WG is not an antisemite.
And if she is, she would not say anything antisemitic on TV and risk losing her job.
Then she says this crazy statement (the final part). So how are we to understand it?
Keep in mind this is in middle of a segment with her arguing for Holocaust education. Why would she imply it's not her concern in a segment saying it's everyone's concern?

It's because of the pernicious notion that there is a hierarchy of bigotry, and antisemitism is not racism, but more, it's actually a lesser evil. The fact that Jews are not a race is irrelevant. That's just used to muddy the waters and excuse antisemitism.

Suspending her doesn't help, now it looks to her fans that Jews *are* more privileged. Jews *do* control the media. This makes antisemitism stronger!

[CountValentine]

I don't think we disagree on this all that much.

Let me break it down like this:

Until proven otherwise, we can assume WG is not an antisemite.
And if she is, she would not say anything antisemitic on TV and risk losing her job.
Then she says this crazy statement (the final part). So how are we to understand it?

Agree 

I should add the first part is and belongs in the DACOTYA thread. I believe she is sincere about the race part, but you also need to use common sense.

Even before all this happened, I would classify Jews as being white but would never say the "H" wasn't about race.

[Yehuda57]

Agree 

I should add the first part is and belongs in the DACOTYA thread. I believe she is sincere about the race part, but you also need to use common sense.

Even before all this happened, I would classify Jews as being white but would never say the "H" wasn't about race.

You need to take that trip to Israel. Jews are white *in America*.

[yuneeq]

Agree 

I should add the first part is and belongs in the DACOTYA thread. I believe she is sincere about the race part, but you also need to use common sense.

Even before all this happened, I would classify Jews as being white but would never say the "H" wasn't about race.

I personally never classify myself as white on any of the census or official forms. Being white is not a core part of my identity, and I don’t like classifying people based on skin tone.