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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides_Medical_Center:
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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #260 on: April 01, 2020, 12:33:01 AM »
You're not a target. I'm just tired. People have been using religion on this board like the medical guidelines don't matter, and it's costing people's lives.

Because Rav Moshe was never presented with today's pandemic situation. What does "the same time" mean? Are we talking taking an old person off days after he was placed on the respirator to save a young person? Or is it a matter of minutes and seconds? If the younger person comes 5 minutes later and they haven't vented the old person yet, is that the same time? Considering the current rate of infection, hospitalization, and incubation, do we consider a young person en route to the hospital as if he arrived? If that's the case, do we ever vent an older person? You could argue that with x amount of younger people en route to the hospital, it's like they arrived at the same time, so you should never use a respirator on an old person.

I make this argument not because I believe it to be how things should be handled, but to illustrate how you cannot possibly use a case from 30-50 years ago, in which this pandemic was never in people's worst nightmares, to pasken on today's real life-and-death situations. Therefore, to quote irrelevant piskei dinim from the greatest Rabbonim is a disservice to the Rabbonim and to the people who may try to decide who lives and who dies based on those quotes.
I have no idea what you are talking about and why the psak wouldn't apply. Obviously a competent halachik authority have to define each scenario and decide how to apply halacha. Nobody here was applying it to a specific case. He was just saying over what R Moshe said.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #261 on: April 01, 2020, 12:36:50 AM »
13th Ave and all of Boro Park is a pretty much deserted.
We are regularly seeing about backyard minyanim continuing. Is this not the case?
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #262 on: April 01, 2020, 12:38:03 AM »
We are regularly seeing about backyard minyanim continuing. Is this not the case?
First of all, I don't believe a Dr or nurse going to work will see something from the backyard, nor do i see
Most clips of the backyard minyanim are from Williamsburg

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #263 on: April 01, 2020, 12:39:47 AM »
13th ave is pretty much deserted. It’s basically grocery shopping. I went down 18th ave past the jewish part, streets were full of Italians & Chinese.
i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #264 on: April 01, 2020, 12:41:15 AM »
First of all, I don't believe a Dr or nurse going to work will see something from the backyard, nor do i see
Most clips of the backyard minyanim are from Williamsburg
But there is a lot of bad press, which everyone sees. Doesn't matter where (or if) it's taking place if they see it on social media or on the news.....

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #265 on: April 01, 2020, 12:42:17 AM »
i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.
Go tell this to the clueless idiots on social media who are vomiting “Boro Park” “ Lakewood” all day.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #266 on: April 01, 2020, 12:42:35 AM »
And yesterday Central Park was FULL OF PEOPLE

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #267 on: April 01, 2020, 12:43:59 AM »
Closing patients in rooms & forgetting about them is not something I’d call common good.
If the patient has covid, his room door may need to be closed to keep it from spreading.
Although he shouldn't be ignored.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #268 on: April 01, 2020, 12:44:31 AM »
Go tell this to the clueless idiots on social media who are vomiting “Boro Park” “ Lakewood” all day.
Exactly! Even I was brainwashed!! I really thought BP is a problem until today that I went back working a little and saw what’s going on!

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #269 on: April 01, 2020, 12:45:12 AM »
It's frustrating, but since we know they will focus on us, we have to keep our noses extra clean. Doesn't matter if it's unfair. Cue CV "but officer..."

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #270 on: April 01, 2020, 12:49:26 AM »
If the patient has covid, his room door may need to be closed to keep it from spreading.
Although he shouldn't be ignored.
Of course it needs to be closed, but if something needs clearing/cleaning & the patient is gagging to death & nobody responds to the beeping, that’s a massive problem.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #271 on: April 01, 2020, 12:51:47 AM »
i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.
Wonder why theyre loading bodies in a trailer at Brooklyn Hospital with a forklift? This will replay over and over. We had Purim and an early start on spreading it. This still has plenty to go before it peaks. 100k deaths is being very optimistic. Were already at 4k a few days in.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #272 on: April 01, 2020, 12:52:13 AM »
Does Maimonides have adequate pulmonologists vs. the other NYC hospitals. Ventilators are only a part of the keili for Refuah, you also need someone competent to set them properly, monitor the patient, and adjust them as necessary.
Starting this week, most ventilated patients are being overseen by a pulmonologist.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #273 on: April 01, 2020, 12:52:24 AM »
this was not in bp...

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #274 on: April 01, 2020, 12:58:06 AM »
this was not in bp...
Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #275 on: April 01, 2020, 01:03:35 AM »
Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.
Those chickens will yet come home to roost. 3 weeks from now....hunker down and stay safe.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #276 on: April 01, 2020, 01:28:52 AM »
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #277 on: April 01, 2020, 07:06:23 AM »
Those chickens will yet come home to roost. 3 weeks from now....hunker down and stay safe.

I hope you’re wrong. I’ve seen models of NYC deaths R”L peaking around April 9th
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #278 on: April 01, 2020, 07:37:48 AM »
Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.
Who's LE?

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #279 on: April 01, 2020, 07:39:19 AM »