Maimonides

[yitzgar]

You're not a target. I'm just tired. People have been using religion on this board like the medical guidelines don't matter, and it's costing people's lives.

Because Rav Moshe was never presented with today's pandemic situation. What does "the same time" mean? Are we talking taking an old person off days after he was placed on the respirator to save a young person? Or is it a matter of minutes and seconds? If the younger person comes 5 minutes later and they haven't vented the old person yet, is that the same time? Considering the current rate of infection, hospitalization, and incubation, do we consider a young person en route to the hospital as if he arrived? If that's the case, do we ever vent an older person? You could argue that with x amount of younger people en route to the hospital, it's like they arrived at the same time, so you should never use a respirator on an old person.

I make this argument not because I believe it to be how things should be handled, but to illustrate how you cannot possibly use a case from 30-50 years ago, in which this pandemic was never in people's worst nightmares, to pasken on today's real life-and-death situations. Therefore, to quote irrelevant piskei dinim from the greatest Rabbonim is a disservice to the Rabbonim and to the people who may try to decide who lives and who dies based on those quotes.

I have no idea what you are talking about and why the psak wouldn't apply. Obviously a competent halachik authority have to define each scenario and decide how to apply halacha. Nobody here was applying it to a specific case. He was just saying over what R Moshe said.

[aygart]

13th Ave and all of Boro Park is a pretty much deserted.

We are regularly seeing about backyard minyanim continuing. Is this not the case?

[chff]

We are regularly seeing about backyard minyanim continuing. Is this not the case?

First of all, I don't believe a Dr or nurse going to work will see something from the backyard, nor do i see
Most clips of the backyard minyanim are from Williamsburg

[JACKBLUE]

13th ave is pretty much deserted. It’s basically grocery shopping. I went down 18th ave past the jewish part, streets were full of Italians & Chinese.

i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.

[yitzgar]

First of all, I don't believe a Dr or nurse going to work will see something from the backyard, nor do i see
Most clips of the backyard minyanim are from Williamsburg

But there is a lot of bad press, which everyone sees. Doesn't matter where (or if) it's taking place if they see it on social media or on the news.....

[TimT]

i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.

Go tell this to the clueless idiots on social media who are vomiting “Boro Park” “ Lakewood” all day.

[Shmobaum]

And yesterday Central Park was FULL OF PEOPLE

[ckmk47]

Closing patients in rooms & forgetting about them is not something I’d call common good.

If the patient has covid, his room door may need to be closed to keep it from spreading.
Although he shouldn't be ignored.

[JACKBLUE]

Go tell this to the clueless idiots on social media who are vomiting “Boro Park” “ Lakewood” all day.

Exactly! Even I was brainwashed!! I really thought BP is a problem until today that I went back working a little and saw what’s going on!

[yitzgar]

It's frustrating, but since we know they will focus on us, we have to keep our noses extra clean. Doesn't matter if it's unfair. Cue CV "but officer..."

[TimT]

If the patient has covid, his room door may need to be closed to keep it from spreading.
Although he shouldn't be ignored.

Of course it needs to be closed, but if something needs clearing/cleaning & the patient is gagging to death & nobody responds to the beeping, that’s a massive problem.

[hvaces42]

i was in Bed Sty, Bushwick, Clinton hill and in another few Brooklyn areas I was shocked to see so many people on the street..... BP compared to those areas is deserted.

Wonder why theyre loading bodies in a trailer at Brooklyn Hospital with a forklift? This will replay over and over. We had Purim and an early start on spreading it. This still has plenty to go before it peaks. 100k deaths is being very optimistic. Were already at 4k a few days in.

[ckmk47]

Does Maimonides have adequate pulmonologists vs. the other NYC hospitals. Ventilators are only a part of the keili for Refuah, you also need someone competent to set them properly, monitor the patient, and adjust them as necessary.

Starting this week, most ventilated patients are being overseen by a pulmonologist.

[justmeha]

this was not in bp...

[TimT]

this was not in bp...

Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.

[hvaces42]

Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.

Those chickens will yet come home to roost. 3 weeks from now....hunker down and stay safe.

[iAm]

Meanwhile, at Mt Sinai...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ManiniAlex/status/1245099807741534209

[AsherO]

Those chickens will yet come home to roost. 3 weeks from now....hunker down and stay safe.

I hope you’re wrong. I’ve seen models of NYC deaths R”L peaking around April 9th

[Sammy82]

Shame on LE on scene who just stood around letting it happen.

Who's LE?

[bestwatchman]

Who's LE?

law enforcement