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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2021, 01:01:16 PM »
That's something I was unaware of.
you can't miss it.
you can hardly call this 'being informed of both sides'
you know your rebbeim's position, and haven't bothered to hear any other points of view, lumping them all together as 'zionist hogwash'
there is a legitimate charedi (anti-zionist) position for strategic hawkishness based on torah values that don't include zionist sovereignty. inform yourself of them

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2021, 01:14:55 PM »
McCarthy commended the Biden administration for condemning Hamas and affirming Israel’s right to self-defense.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2021, 01:23:41 PM »
The fact that anyone can lay the blame on Israel while ignoring the fact that Hamas is using them as human shields is the problem.
If you’re criticism is only about people omit one side of the story, you should be just at indignant about the Jewish side that doesn’t mention the parts we don’t like.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2021, 01:24:20 PM »
McCarthy commended the Biden administration for condemning Hamas and affirming Israel’s right to self-defense.
Incredible. I guess there is hope after all.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2021, 01:24:51 PM »
A statement from the Modzitzer Rebbe R'Shaul Yedidya Elazar Taub ZTZL during the WW2 years comes to mind.

אני שלום, וכי אדבר המה למלחמה ) תהילים פרק קכ(.

He says that one's actions have to show peace, but when one talks about peace but his actions demonstrate otherwise, then we know it's to gain time to go to war.

(Transcribed from memory from quite a few years ago, but you get the idea)

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2021, 01:25:46 PM »
We now have schools closed, public gathering limits (to minimize rocket damage), and lockdown (to subdue riots in Lod). We just need to flatten the curve
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2021, 01:33:47 PM »
We just need to flatten the curve
seems they're starting by flattening the towers in gaza

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2021, 01:41:33 PM »
seems they're starting by flattening the towers in gaza
Hopefully it does more help than harm. Every tower results in a barrage of missiles at central Israel which has cost several lives. Probably a necessary evil, but I hope the decisions aren’t governed  by ego and pride.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2021, 01:47:59 PM »
From a moral & Halachic perspective, I have no qualms with Israel nuking Gaza, and would press the button myself without thinking twice. The only reason Israel can’t do it is the estimated practical repercussions. That doesn’t mean those who criticize Israel after such an action would be wrong. Both can be right at the same time.  Survival justifies unfair actions.

A big part of the entire conflict is that there isn’t an objective absolute solution. Both sides have legitimate claims on a single piece of land. Hopefully we can some days find a way to respect each other’s position without killing each other.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2021, 01:54:43 PM »


Ohana is a real problem.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2021, 01:57:49 PM »


Ohana is a real problem.
evidently the arabs rioting in ramle on the 1st day/israel ignoring it wasn't such a good idea after all

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2021, 02:01:51 PM »
From a moral & Halachic perspective, I have no qualms with Israel nuking Gaza, and would press the button myself without thinking twice. The only reason Israel can’t do it is the estimated practical repercussions. That doesn’t mean those who criticize Israel after such an action would be wrong. Both can be right at the same time.  Survival justifies unfair actions.
You have no problem with the genocide of 2 million people!?!?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2021, 02:03:11 PM »


Ohana is a real problem.
OY
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2021, 02:19:47 PM »
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2021, 02:36:40 PM »
From a moral & Halachic perspective, I have no qualms with Israel nuking Gaza, and would press the button myself without thinking twice.
As he should be.
?????????????????????????????

u have no qualms about nuking and killing tens of thousands of innocent ppl, but u think that someone whose life and that of his family and neighbors was in danger, and killed 1 measly fellow, who most probably was among those endangering his life should be investigated?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2021, 02:49:39 PM »
evidently the arabs rioting in ramle on the 1st day/israel ignoring it wasn't such a good idea after all

I understand what you are saying, but please don't even appear to justify this kind of disgusting stuff

From a moral & Halachic perspective, I have no qualms with Israel nuking Gaza, and would press the button myself without thinking twice.

This is beyond the pale. On one hand you sit admonishing people for singing zachreini na at the kosel, and with the same mouth say you have no qualms about killing millions. You are all over the place trying to twist yourself into the impossible pretzel of being this hard-line Chareidi open-minded devil's advocate contrarian left-wing conservative. It's one thing to not toe party line, but at least show some sort of ideological consistency.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2021, 03:06:55 PM »
From a moral & Halachic perspective, I have no qualms with Israel nuking Gaza, and would press the button myself without thinking twice. The only reason Israel can’t do it is the estimated practical repercussions. That doesn’t mean those who criticize Israel after such an action would be wrong. Both can be right at the same time.  Survival justifies unfair actions.

A big part of the entire conflict is that there isn’t an objective absolute solution. Both sides have legitimate claims on a single piece of land. Hopefully we can some days find a way to respect each other’s position without killing each other.
Honestly, I've always thought you to be thoughtful, but this makes me think that you are a complete troll
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2021, 03:08:02 PM »
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2021, 03:10:55 PM »
. On one hand you sit admonishing people for singing zachreini na at the kosel
Celebrating is a very different story, especially in public.

I can’t keep up with the pace of arguments so I don’t look at everything. Happy to address specific points when I can if anybody cares.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2021, 03:16:45 PM »
Honestly, I've always thought you to be thoughtful, but this makes me think that you are a complete troll
You’re welcome to think about me as you see fit, but the truth is that I don’t mind having unpopular opinions on both sides of the spectrum. The key most trying to profile me miss is that not everything I try to understand and articulate I support.

My positions are relatively consistent if you understand them. Preserving Jewish life is one of the primary ideals. That dictates closing Shuls during covid and can justify aggressive military tactics - so long as they are effective.
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