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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #100 on: May 12, 2021, 03:58:47 PM »
That's a thought provoking question. I'm not sure the answer right now.
I know the the line is before genocide and I don't think a reasonable person can disagree. I guess I don't know how to formulate it better than that
Appreciate the frankness. In my book, killing 50 people is also wrong and only justified by survival.

Nuking Gaza is nuking Israel.

That was part of my point about consequences. I was making a hypothetical point, and chose the nuclear example because it has precedent and is relatively vague.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר Ė יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #101 on: May 12, 2021, 04:02:25 PM »

You know that Israel is doing it's best
The only people who know that are those who prefer to feel good than know the truth and never questioned Israel.

Why is Israel knocking down apartment buildings? They donít all house terrorist infrastructure and Israel can strike individual floors anyways. Yes, they warn people to evacuate, but why is hurting civilian property OK?

 I donít know if they should or shouldnít, but Israel can definitely show more restraint if it wanted to.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר Ė יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #102 on: May 12, 2021, 04:07:10 PM »
Ironic that saying 50 and 50k are the same is Ďinconsistentí, but those drawing an arbitrary line in between, which they canít even define, based on prevailing feelings without any basis because they never actually thought about the issue are Ďconsistentí.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר Ė יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #103 on: May 12, 2021, 04:10:30 PM »
Why is Israel knocking down apartment buildings? They donít all house terrorist infrastructure and Israel can strike individual floors anyways. Yes, they warn people to evacuate, but why is hurting civilian property OK?

 I donít know if they should or shouldnít, but Israel can definitely show more restraint if it wanted to.
on the contrary, if there are Financial consequences that are strategically effective deterrent, isn't that better than killing people?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #104 on: May 12, 2021, 04:11:58 PM »
on the contrary, if there are Financial consequences that are strategically effective deterrent, isn't that better than killing people?
If it works, Iím all for it. My point is, there is room for Israel to be more restrained. As I said, I donít know if it should or shouldnít.

More importantly, the calls for restraint arenít for Israe to stop what itís doing now, but to think twice before escalating further. As they should.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #105 on: May 12, 2021, 04:21:21 PM »
Why is saying Israel should show restraint considered a wacko left point of view?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #106 on: May 12, 2021, 04:21:35 PM »
If it works, Iím all for it. My point is, there is room for Israel to be more restrained. As I said, I donít know if it should or shouldnít.

More importantly, the calls for restraint arenít for Israe to stop what itís doing now, but to think twice before escalating further. As they should.
Seriously? I stand by what I said. You have to have a lot of gall to tell Israel to "show restraint" when its citizens are being rained rockets upon their heads.

No one should care about one floor too much being damaged. Israel's restraint is what is enabling his mess in the first place. I am not going to respond to anymore of this garbage for now while missiles are flying over Israel.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #107 on: May 12, 2021, 04:23:16 PM »
Why is saying Israel should show restraint considered a wacko left point of view?
Would you appreciate someone saying that to you while someone is trying to murder your wife and kids? You don't tell someone defending themselves from a murderer to show restraint. That is wicked.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #108 on: May 12, 2021, 04:28:57 PM »
Why is saying Israel should show restraint considered a wacko left point of view?
it's exactly "there are good people on both sides"

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #109 on: May 12, 2021, 04:29:22 PM »
Why is saying Israel should show restraint considered a wacko left point of view?

Because saying it publicly means that you think that either
1 - Israel should show undue restraint in a way that harms it's citizens
or
2 - Israel would act in an unrestrained way beyond that which is necessary to protect itself and therefore needs to be told not to.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #110 on: May 12, 2021, 04:37:43 PM »
Would you appreciate someone saying that to you while someone is trying to murder your wife and kids? You don't tell someone defending themselves from a murderer to show restraint. That is wicked.
Because saying it publicly means that you think that either
1 - Israel should show undue restraint in a way that harms it's citizens
or
2 - Israel would act in an unrestrained way beyond that which is necessary to protect itself and therefore needs to be told not to.
Showing restraint is not bombing indiscriminately. What I am hearing is that Israel is doing everything they can not to kill civilians. It looks to me they are showing restraint and should continue to do so. They are targeting the terrorist that are causing this terror and not just anything that moves. That is showing restraint.

Some how saying show restraint is taken to mean ceasefire.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #111 on: May 12, 2021, 04:38:47 PM »
it's exactly "there are good people on both sides"
Then we have different meaning for showing restraint.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #112 on: May 12, 2021, 04:43:37 PM »
Showing restraint is not bombing indiscriminately.

That's exactly my (second) point. Hamas and their supporters go around telling people that Israel is bombing indiscriminately. Telling Israel to act with restraint is suggesting that they are not currently and supports the terrorists narrative.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2021, 04:46:41 PM »
Telling Israel to act with restraint is suggesting that they are not currently and supports the terrorists narrative.
I hope I made it clear that is not what I am saying.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2021, 04:53:36 PM »
Would you appreciate someone saying that to you while someone is trying to murder your wife and kids? You don't tell someone defending themselves from a murderer to show restraint. That is wicked.
If I meant you couldn't defend yourself against the murderer that would be wicked. Go after the murderer and his assets. This is what Israel is doing now. To me they are showing restraint.

Would it be fair to say you look at "show restraint" as a dog whistle?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2021, 05:00:52 PM »
I hope I made it clear that is not what I am saying.

I don't think you are a wacko leftist (at least not in this area ;-) ). I can't say the same regarding much of the Democrat party.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2021, 05:06:26 PM »
I don't think you are a wacko leftist (at least not in this area ;-) ). I can't say the same regarding much of the Democrat party.
Biden says he talked to PM Netanyahu "not too long ago" and will issue a statement soon.  "My expectation and hope is that this will be closing down sooner than later. But Israel has a right to defend itself when you have 1000s of rockets flying in your territory."
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #118 on: May 12, 2021, 05:28:29 PM »
If I meant you couldn't defend yourself against the murderer that would be wicked. Go after the murderer and his assets. This is what Israel is doing now. To me they are showing restraint.

Would it be fair to say you look at "show restraint" as a dog whistle?
Not sure what you mean by dog whistle. If I understand correctly, if you mean to say that I understand someone telling Israel to show restraint as a way to sound even handed while in reality it means that you don't give a damn about Israeli life, you are correct.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2021, 05:50:57 PM »
What am I looking at? @m65
your take on the sitch