Author Topic: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim  (Read 39934 times)

Offline ExGingi

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2015
  • Posts: 18454
  • Total likes: 8845
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 19
    • View Profile
  • Location: 770
  • Programs: בשורת הגאולה. From Exile to Redemption. GIYF. AAdvantage Executive PlatinumŽ
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #260 on: January 31, 2024, 01:29:04 PM »
Interestingly, there are several Chabad hashgachos listed here:

https://consumer.crckosher.org/acceptable-kashrus-agencies/

What do they do differently?

While I see several Chabad Rabbonim, I only see Chabad mentioned in the symbol on Bahamas and Puerto Rico.

AFAIK Chabad should not be mentioned, so I'd be extra careful with those that do.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
-- Dan

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #261 on: January 31, 2024, 06:48:17 PM »
Differently than?


Shluchim that aren't listed

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #262 on: January 31, 2024, 06:48:46 PM »
While I see several Chabad Rabbonim, I only see Chabad mentioned in the symbol on Bahamas and Puerto Rico.

AFAIK Chabad should not be mentioned, so I'd be extra careful with those that do.


Why shouldn't Chabad be mentioned?

Offline ExGingi

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2015
  • Posts: 18454
  • Total likes: 8845
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 19
    • View Profile
  • Location: 770
  • Programs: בשורת הגאולה. From Exile to Redemption. GIYF. AAdvantage Executive PlatinumŽ
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #263 on: January 31, 2024, 07:20:49 PM »

Why shouldn't Chabad be mentioned?

Because Chabad isn't supposed to give Hechsherim (under Chabad name, possibly except for when there's an established local BD Chabad).

Encourage Jews to keep kosher to the best standard you can get them to keep, but keep Chabad name out of the Kashrus business.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
-- Dan

Offline ExGingi

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2015
  • Posts: 18454
  • Total likes: 8845
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 19
    • View Profile
  • Location: 770
  • Programs: בשורת הגאולה. From Exile to Redemption. GIYF. AAdvantage Executive PlatinumŽ
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #264 on: January 31, 2024, 07:23:10 PM »

Shluchim that aren't listed

Many shluchim get additional income as mashgichim in factories for national (or Heimishe) hashgochos. Giving their own Hechsher is a totally different issue. IF they are qualified, they might do it not under the Chabad name. For example see Nemes from Louisiana, even though cRc has him listed as Chabad, the Hechsher doesn't mention it or present itself as such.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
-- Dan

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #265 on: January 31, 2024, 08:07:17 PM »
Many shluchim get additional income as mashgichim in factories for national (or Heimishe) hashgochos. Giving their own Hechsher is a totally different issue. IF they are qualified, they might do it not under the Chabad name. For example see Nemes from Louisiana, even though cRc has him listed as Chabad, the Hechsher doesn't mention it or present itself as such.


The way I read it (as someone who doesn't know Chabad policies) is that CRC looked into these specific shluchim (not sure why they on the CRC radar) and they are testifying that they are up to CRC standards. If I would go to the Bahamas I would have no problem eating at the restaurant based on this.

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70480
  • Total likes: 19873
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #266 on: January 31, 2024, 08:09:55 PM »

The way I read it (as someone who doesn't know Chabad policies) is that CRC looked into these specific shluchim (not sure why they on the CRC radar) and they are testifying that they are up to CRC standards. If I would go to the Bahamas I would have no problem eating at the restaurant based on this.
Not sure what's complicated. These shluchim offer commercial hashgocha, most don't.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 25K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 31801
  • Total likes: 8696
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 79
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #267 on: January 31, 2024, 08:26:58 PM »
For example see Nemes from Louisiana, even though cRc has him listed as Chabad, the Hechsher doesn't mention it or present itself as such.

Then why does CRC list it?
DDF FFB (Forum From Birth)

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #268 on: January 31, 2024, 08:27:59 PM »
Not sure what's complicated. These shluchim offer commercial hashgocha, most don't.


They supervise things other than what they sell?

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70480
  • Total likes: 19873
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #269 on: January 31, 2024, 08:34:30 PM »

They supervise things other than what they sell?
Obviously
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19532
  • Total likes: 16010
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #270 on: January 31, 2024, 08:42:33 PM »
Maybe they reached out to CRC/AKO tto make sure they are operating at the proper standards for their own establishment.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #271 on: January 31, 2024, 08:46:59 PM »
Obviously
not obvious


Maybe they reached out to CRC/AKO tto make sure they are operating at the proper standards for their own establishment.


This is the first thing that crossed my mind to o

Offline ExGingi

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2015
  • Posts: 18454
  • Total likes: 8845
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 19
    • View Profile
  • Location: 770
  • Programs: בשורת הגאולה. From Exile to Redemption. GIYF. AAdvantage Executive PlatinumŽ
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #272 on: January 31, 2024, 09:17:09 PM »
Then why does CRC list it?

Ask them.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
-- Dan

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70480
  • Total likes: 19873
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #273 on: January 31, 2024, 09:25:07 PM »
Maybe they reached out to CRC/AKO tto make sure they are operating at the proper standards for their own establishment.
Which of those have their own "establishment"
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4943
  • Total likes: 1841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #274 on: January 31, 2024, 09:46:38 PM »
Answer from a shliach operating a self certified restaurant in response to the question if  he follows the generally accepted guidelines/method of national agencies (including ok & CHK) for checking produce.... "You think I'm a baal tshuva?"

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #275 on: January 31, 2024, 11:03:02 PM »
Which of those have their own "establishment"


Chabad of the Bahamas

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70480
  • Total likes: 19873
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #276 on: January 31, 2024, 11:07:01 PM »

Chabad of the Bahamas
Where is their establishment?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #277 on: February 01, 2024, 07:54:57 AM »
Where is their establishment?


All those restaurants in Baha Mar  aren't theirs?

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 70480
  • Total likes: 19873
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #278 on: February 01, 2024, 12:37:37 PM »

All those restaurants in Baha Mar  aren't theirs?
No.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline ushdadude

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 6603
  • Total likes: 1175
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 5
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #279 on: February 01, 2024, 12:53:50 PM »
No.
Interesting. Speaking to people who were there, they integrate pretty seamlessly.