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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #140 on: September 13, 2022, 03:21:20 PM »

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2022, 04:01:05 PM »
Seems to me this is referring to eateries in frum neighborhoods that don't get a hechsher.
They definitely werenít aiming this at Chabad Shlichim, but there is no  difference. Read the first paragraph on the Hebrew side. Whoever is directly profiting from the business is included.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2022, 04:04:24 PM »
I removed my post because I totally misread the kol koreh

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #143 on: September 13, 2022, 04:04:53 PM »
Sushi, challah, cholent, etc. out of peoples homes.
Party planners/ accomodators...

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2022, 04:23:30 PM »
Sushi, challah, cholent, etc. out of peoples homes.
Party planners/ accomodators...

Custom cakes (dairy and parve) have become very popular too.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2022, 04:26:37 PM »
Party planners/ accomodators...

THIS!


I'm not saying people selling out of their home without a Hechsher is perfectly fine, but presumably when they use their own kitchen they will at least keep to their own standards. Party planners are about what the event looks like (and possibly tastes). I've never heard of a party planner with any Kashrus standard. Unless you specify for the planner what you will accept, there's absolutely no boundaries.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2022, 06:03:19 PM »
They definitely werenít aiming this at Chabad Shlichim, but there is no  difference. Read the first paragraph on the Hebrew side. Whoever is directly profiting from the business is included.
Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2022, 06:14:36 PM »
Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?
in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2022, 06:22:53 PM »
in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.
How much do you think that would cost?
Are visitors willing to pay for the difference? Because the locals sure aren't.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2022, 06:27:54 PM »
Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?
The Halachik aspect is the same. Of course itís harder to do from far away and there may be room to rely on more lenient opinions. The בית הלל isnít universal FWIU. Though in todayís complicated kosher world it is a very understandable position.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2022, 07:07:40 PM »
in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.
To review standards yes, but to have someone else be there as a Mashgiach doesn't sound like that would work.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #151 on: September 13, 2022, 07:09:03 PM »
To review standards yes, but to have someone else be there as a Mashgiach doesn't sound like that would work.
The בית הלל doesnít say you need an on site mashgiach.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #152 on: September 13, 2022, 07:11:14 PM »
The בית הלל doesnít say you need an on site mashgiach.

The standards of almost all reputable hechsherim require a mashgiach temidi. If you're requiring a hechsher, you're essentially shutting down meat food establishments where it isn't feasible.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #153 on: September 13, 2022, 07:42:18 PM »
The standards of almost all reputable hechsherim require a mashgiach temidi. If you're requiring a hechsher, you're essentially shutting down meat food establishments where it isn't feasible.
I think what Moko wants is an advisory board to review the Shaliach's standards and advise on best practices, not to provide actual, full time oversight.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #154 on: September 13, 2022, 07:46:10 PM »
I think what Moko wants is an advisory board to review the Shaliach's standards and advise on best practices, not to provide actual, full time oversight.

I don't disagree, but that's not what the Kol Koreh calls for. I also don't think that such establishments were the target of the Kol Koreh.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #155 on: September 13, 2022, 07:56:47 PM »
I don't disagree, but that's not what the Kol Koreh calls for. I also don't think that such establishments were the target of the Kol Koreh.
They werenít. But the Halacha doesnít change because itís impossible. So either people will have to rely on בדיעבדs. Which would still entail the shliach being a confirmed מוחזק בכשרות Jew. Or @moko idea can be implemented.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #156 on: September 13, 2022, 08:16:49 PM »
I can't say with any degree of certainty how many it is, but many Shluchim who are running commercial operations, I.e.anything more than a a glorified home kitchen, are getting guidance from rabonim who are experts in the field.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #157 on: September 13, 2022, 10:37:07 PM »
Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #158 on: September 13, 2022, 11:55:42 PM »
When I was younger, and what I heard from my mother, so my information is from about 1940's in Brooklyn, you trusted the proprietor of a food establishment to police himself.  You were relying on his yiras shomaym and knowledge of halacha.
the corner luncheonette, the butcher, the takeout place. 
It was only as establishments wanted to service customers that didn't know them that formal hashgachas became so established.
So I guess I'm disagreeing with the premise of that Kol Koreh.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #159 on: September 14, 2022, 12:00:01 AM »
When I was younger, and what I heard from my mother, so my information is from about 1940's in Brooklyn, you trusted the proprietor of a food establishment to police himself.  You were relying on his yiras shomaym and knowledge of halacha.
the corner luncheonette, the butcher, the takeout place. 
The kashrus scene then wasn't an optimal situation to say the least.
So I guess I'm disagreeing with the premise of that Kol Koreh.
This is unfortunate. Because the kol koreh gave sources to support it's position and you did not. Also, you are wrong ;D.