Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim

[ushdadude]

Would this concept fit here?

[imayid2]

Seems to me this is referring to eateries in frum neighborhoods that don't get a hechsher.

They definitely weren’t aiming this at Chabad Shlichim, but there is no  difference. Read the first paragraph on the Hebrew side. Whoever is directly profiting from the business is included.

[Yehuda57]

I removed my post because I totally misread the kol koreh

[moko]

Sushi, challah, cholent, etc. out of peoples homes.
Party planners/ accomodators...

[Essen est zich]

Sushi, challah, cholent, etc. out of peoples homes.
Party planners/ accomodators...

Custom cakes (dairy and parve) have become very popular too.

[ExGingi]

Party planners/ accomodators...

THIS!


I'm not saying people selling out of their home without a Hechsher is perfectly fine, but presumably when they use their own kitchen they will at least keep to their own standards. Party planners are about what the event looks like (and possibly tastes). I've never heard of a party planner with any Kashrus standard. Unless you specify for the planner what you will accept, there's absolutely no boundaries.

[yelped]

They definitely weren’t aiming this at Chabad Shlichim, but there is no  difference. Read the first paragraph on the Hebrew side. Whoever is directly profiting from the business is included.

Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

[moko]

Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.

[MeirS]

in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.

How much do you think that would cost?
Are visitors willing to pay for the difference? Because the locals sure aren't.

[imayid2]

Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

The Halachik aspect is the same. Of course it’s harder to do from far away and there may be room to rely on more lenient opinions. The בית הלל isn’t universal FWIU. Though in today’s complicated kosher world it is a very understandable position.

[yelped]

in short, yes. I'm sure there are well known Kashrus organizations that would work with them to review standards at cost if they were interested.

To review standards yes, but to have someone else be there as a Mashgiach doesn't sound like that would work.

[imayid2]

To review standards yes, but to have someone else be there as a Mashgiach doesn't sound like that would work.

The בית הלל doesn’t say you need an on site mashgiach.

[Lurker]

The בית הלל doesn’t say you need an on site mashgiach.

The standards of almost all reputable hechsherim require a mashgiach temidi. If you're requiring a hechsher, you're essentially shutting down meat food establishments where it isn't feasible.

[yelped]

The standards of almost all reputable hechsherim require a mashgiach temidi. If you're requiring a hechsher, you're essentially shutting down meat food establishments where it isn't feasible.

I think what Moko wants is an advisory board to review the Shaliach's standards and advise on best practices, not to provide actual, full time oversight.

[Lurker]

I think what Moko wants is an advisory board to review the Shaliach's standards and advise on best practices, not to provide actual, full time oversight.

I don't disagree, but that's not what the Kol Koreh calls for. I also don't think that such establishments were the target of the Kol Koreh.

[imayid2]

I don't disagree, but that's not what the Kol Koreh calls for. I also don't think that such establishments were the target of the Kol Koreh.

They weren’t. But the Halacha doesn’t change because it’s impossible. So either people will have to rely on בדיעבדs. Which would still entail the shliach being a confirmed מוחזק בכשרות Jew. Or @moko idea can be implemented.

[Yehuda57]

I can't say with any degree of certainty how many it is, but many Shluchim who are running commercial operations, I.e.anything more than a a glorified home kitchen, are getting guidance from rabonim who are experts in the field.

[Something Fishy]

Not really. What do you want a Chabad Rabbi in Greenland to do? Get a hechsher from a Kashrus organization half a world away?

I'll be the mashgiach

[ckmk47]

When I was younger, and what I heard from my mother, so my information is from about 1940's in Brooklyn, you trusted the proprietor of a food establishment to police himself.  You were relying on his yiras shomaym and knowledge of halacha.
the corner luncheonette, the butcher, the takeout place. 
It was only as establishments wanted to service customers that didn't know them that formal hashgachas became so established.
So I guess I'm disagreeing with the premise of that Kol Koreh.

[imayid2]

When I was younger, and what I heard from my mother, so my information is from about 1940's in Brooklyn, you trusted the proprietor of a food establishment to police himself.  You were relying on his yiras shomaym and knowledge of halacha.
the corner luncheonette, the butcher, the takeout place. 

The kashrus scene then wasn't an optimal situation to say the least.

So I guess I'm disagreeing with the premise of that Kol Koreh.

This is unfortunate. Because the kol koreh gave sources to support it's position and you did not. Also, you are wrong .