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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

Yes
20 (87%)
No
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Author Topic: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?  (Read 5708 times)

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 PM »
To see how many are ill-informed.  ;)
So you support chopping off the breasts of healthy girls, castrating children and the mutilation of children?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2023, 06:52:25 PM »
Did you see the response to that question? It was from someone ill-informed. I hope by now he educated himself.  :)

Now hes informed by the ill?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2023, 07:15:50 PM »
So you support...
I support helping children and young adults. I know some can see past the bubble, but I expect that.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2023, 07:20:11 PM »
Does anyone here know a transgender person IRL?

Yes

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2023, 07:23:26 PM »
I support helping children and young adults. I know some can see past the bubble, but I expect that.
I'll take that as a yes to my question.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2023, 07:25:49 PM »
I support helping children and young adults. I know some can see past the bubble, but I expect that.
100% who doesnt. the question is is this actually helping or in reality causing permeant changes for something that MAY be temporary
« Last Edit: February 27, 2023, 07:30:38 PM by yeshivabucher »

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2023, 07:27:07 PM »
I support helping children and young adults. I know some can see past the bubble, but I expect that.
Just because you see the shiny translucent markings of a bubble when you look at me, it's completely possible that if you would look a little higher you would see that the bubble arcs around over yourself...

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2023, 07:27:57 PM »
I'll take that as a yes to my question.
I will take it as you approve of mutilating male babies. Now shall we discuss this honestly?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2023, 07:28:36 PM »
Just because you see the shiny translucent markings of a bubble when you look at me, it's completely possible that if you would look a little higher you would see that the bubble arcs around over yourself...
It is possible but highly unlikely.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2023, 07:30:07 PM »
I will take it as you approve of mutilating male babies. Now shall we discuss this honestly?
You don't vax your children?

Conflating circumcision - which is a great health benefit that many non-Jews choose - with the surgeries discussed in this thread is moving goalposts in a grand way

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2023, 07:33:56 PM »
Conflating circumcision - which is a great health benefit that many non-Jews choose - with the surgeries discussed in this thread is moving goalposts in a grand way
What it is doing is pointing out the dishonesty in these comments.

If you have respected medical professions or institutions to back up your claims, then please post them.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2023, 07:50:59 PM »
What it is doing is pointing out the dishonesty in these comments.


Except that it points out nothing but the dishonest comparison
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2023, 07:51:26 PM »
You can discuss if circumcision is helping or hurting male babies without calling it mutilation of male baby's genital.
When it comes to something thousand times more important everyone loses their mind.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2023, 07:52:39 PM »
Except that it points out nothing but the dishonest comparison
Except many see it as mutilation but you happen to disagree, so you call the comparison dishonest.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2023, 08:01:46 PM by CountValentine »
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2023, 07:54:28 PM »
Does anyone here know a transgender person IRL?
I know a biological male who as a teen had what would now be called dysphoria including dressing in female clothes. He got no help or intervention at all and is now delighted that he wasn't led down that road.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2023, 08:22:48 PM »

Does anyone here know a transgender person IRL?

I knew the most famous one before he went with she and rabbi.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2023, 08:40:06 PM »
Except many see it as mutilation but you happen to disagree, so you call the comparison dishonest.
if many ppl see taking a haircut to be the same as chopping off ur head, doesnt make it be that way
whoever doesnt feel that way just "happens to disagree"???

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2023, 08:55:52 PM »
if many ppl see taking a haircut to be the same as chopping off ur head, doesnt make it be that way
whoever doesnt feel that way just "happens to disagree"???
Last time I checked your hair grows back.  ;)
My point is that having an approved medical procedure done should not be called mutilation.
You can't have an honest discussion when one side keeps yelling mutilation with nothing to back it up.
I have been gentle in my response to constant attack on me claiming I support mutilation. Don't expect that to continue.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2023, 09:27:39 PM »
Last time I checked your hair grows back.  ;)
i feel that its the same as if it didnt

My point is that having an approved medical procedure done should not be called mutilation.
approved by who? by "science"? by fauci?

You can't have an honest discussion when one side keeps yelling mutilation with nothing to back it up.
doesnt need to be backed up, for goodness' sake if a vital limb, which is critical for purposeful use is chopped off, deeming the person incapable of performing necessary acts, that is mutilation.
im embarassed that such obvious facts must even be stated
I have been gentle in my response to constant attack on me claiming I support mutilation. Don't expect that to continue.
i have no idea if u support it for real, or u just enjoy toying with retarded ideas.
either way ur lack of continuing to be gentle doesnt really sound that scary

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2023, 09:40:44 PM »
i have no idea if u support it for real, or u just enjoy toying with retarded ideas.
either way ur lack of continuing to be gentle doesnt really sound that scary
Retarded? Here we go again.
In some cultures, they mutilate a newborn male not for medical reasons but for some insane ritual. That is sickening.
approved by who?
Every major respected medical profession/institution. Of course, that is meaningless to the mutilation crowd.
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