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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #960 on: November 26, 2023, 10:17:56 AM »
It didn't seem from Rabbi Feldman's letter that this was a hischabrus l'rasha issue. He seemed to take issue more with the actual program. In fact, before the program was announced, he supported it.

With the amount of arrogance flowing through each word of the letter (not R’ Feldman’s letter) I’m surprised anyone wastes their breath responding.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #961 on: November 26, 2023, 10:49:43 AM »
+1. Other than is monologue, I did not plan on listening to the rest of the podcast. However, I did notice Rabbi Plotnik, a Rav for whom i know personally and about as principled a rav that I know. IYKYK. So I decided to listed to that portion and boy am I glad I did. R' Plotnik did about as good of a job pushing back against DL (respectfully) as I have ever heard. DL's initial framing attempts in his questions were beyond insane.
That was priceless. DL was like, “of course we’re smart enough to make the obvious decision to go, and besides we have daas torah from 80 years ago, right?”

Rabbi Plotnick was like,
https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1723450736577564759?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723510693888979122%7Ctwgr%5Efabb789d7af17fad04d2f3e0307aeda5393ff6a1%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.dansdeals.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D134532.6200

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #962 on: November 26, 2023, 11:21:07 AM »

  No one would say this showing support rally allows for chilul shabbos.


Shouldn't have said no one, DL was actually pushing the idea that this rally would have been דוחה שבת if shabbos would be be the only day possible, the Rov wasn't ready to push back and kind of agreed.  ::)

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #963 on: November 27, 2023, 04:42:08 PM »
Rav Aharon Kotler did not participate in the Rabbis March on Washington FWIU. Wondering if it’s known why he didn’t.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #964 on: November 27, 2023, 04:43:00 PM »
Rav Aharon Kotler did not participate in the Rabbis March on Washington FWIU. Wondering if it’s known why he didn’t.
Wasn't he in israel at the time?

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #965 on: November 27, 2023, 04:45:25 PM »
Wasn't he in israel at the time?
Doing what?

Do you mean he hasn’t arrived yet in the US? When did he get here? I don’t remember offhand but that would certainly explain it.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #966 on: November 27, 2023, 04:55:54 PM »
Do you mean he hasn’t arrived yet in the US? When did he get here? I don’t remember offhand but that would certainly explain it.
He came in 1941 so he should’ve been around

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #967 on: November 27, 2023, 04:59:31 PM »
Doing what?

Do you mean he hasn’t arrived yet in the US? When did he get here? I don’t remember offhand but that would certainly explain it.
I completely misunderstood your question. lol ignore my response

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #968 on: November 27, 2023, 05:17:51 PM »
I completely misunderstood your question. lol ignore my response

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #970 on: November 27, 2023, 07:34:06 PM »
Rav Aharon Kotler did not participate in the Rabbis March on Washington FWIU. Wondering if it’s known why he didn’t.
I've heard he was opposed, dont know why.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #971 on: November 27, 2023, 07:49:17 PM »
I've heard he was opposed, dont know why.
He didn’t believe it would get anything done. But he was wrong as the march did accomplish the creating of the refugee board.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #972 on: November 27, 2023, 07:50:33 PM »
He didn’t believe it would get anything done.

Source?

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #973 on: November 27, 2023, 08:01:30 PM »
https://mishpacha.com/with-fire-in-his-eyes/
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Bunim drafted a memorandum on the train, and Rav Aharon reviewed it at the home of their Washington host, Rav Yehoshua Klavan. “It’s excellent, except the last sentence, which must be removed,” said Rav Aharon. The problematic sentence read, “It’s a sad story that after 20 centuries of oppression, murder, and pogroms, you’ll allow the Nazis’ plans to separate Jewish prisoners of war.”

Rav Aharon thought an official might read that line and conclude, “If they’re being killed for 2,000 years, what’s the big deal if it happens a bit longer?”

The edited memorandum was then presented to David K. Niles, a Jewish advisor to President Roosevelt. Niles contacted General Eisenhower, supreme commander of Allied Forces in Europe. It seems that Eisenhower arranged a broadcast warning the Germans of retribution should they go ahead with this plan.

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That same thinking likely prompted Rav Aharon’s decision not to attend the famous Rabbis’ March on Washington in October 1943. Rabbi Nathan Baruch contends that Rav Aharon felt that a public forum was not the proper venue to highlight the plight of the Jews, because he believed the nations of the world reveled in the tragedies befalling the Jewish People. Rav Aharon believed that the appropriate form of activism was for the American Jewish community to aim its frustration directly at elected officials, and that success was more likely through quiet diplomacy conducted behind closed doors.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #974 on: November 27, 2023, 08:13:13 PM »
I think also notably missing from the Rebbi's march were Rav Reuven, Rav Shlome Heiman and Reb Shrage Feivel. I guess we don't know the full picture of what happened then.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #975 on: November 27, 2023, 08:13:34 PM »
But he was wrong as the march did accomplish the creating of the refugee board.
It is not clear that The March was the direct cause for that. For all we know it wouldv'e happened anyway through the ongoing diplomatic efforts led by Rav Aharon.

In fact we do know it wasn’t considered successful at the time, and FDR was angered by it.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #976 on: November 27, 2023, 08:13:44 PM »
I wonder if people are against this too?
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #977 on: November 27, 2023, 10:04:09 PM »
It is not clear that The March was the direct cause for that. For all we know it wouldv'e happened anyway through the ongoing diplomatic efforts led by Rav Aharon.

In fact we do know it wasn’t considered successful at the time, and FDR was angered by it.
The uproar from FDR not meeting with them brought light to what was going on and is generally considered the beginning of a chain of events leading to the War refugee board.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #978 on: November 27, 2023, 10:16:10 PM »
I think also notably missing from the Rebbi's march were Rav Reuven, Rav Shlome Heiman and Reb Shrage Feivel. I guess we don't know the full picture of what happened then.
Was it just for pulpit rabbis?

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #979 on: November 27, 2023, 10:21:54 PM »
The uproar from FDR not meeting with them brought light to what was going on and is generally considered the beginning of a chain of events leading to the War refugee board.
Exactly. This is generally how it's viewed.
Was it just for pulpit rabbis?
What is this supposed to mean? There were a ton of Chassidishe Rebbes there, including some of my grandparents.