Gaza Tunnels

[cmey]

Accommodations are terrible. 1/10
Chairs are hard and ropes are uncomfortable.


View is lousy. Noise level is unacceptable; constant bombing noises from outside. This place needs some serious soundproofing.

Pitas were hard 2/10



Rice was dry and portions were small. 1/10

 The wait for the food to come out was hours. Completely unacceptable.

I haven’t heard any Rabbanim advocating cutting out vacations. They are necessary to rejuvenate to refresh ourselves, and to reconnect with spouses and family. But as we plan our vacations we can keep in mind the plight of acheinu bnei yisrael and the message we are sending our children and plan accordingly.

Rabbi Bender on vacation this year:
https://darchei.wistia.com/medias/ov3z1te28z

[jj1000]

We need to institute a dislike button on DDF.

[davidd75]

whats wrong with this message?

[cmey]

whats wrong with this message?

Maybe in his community they are still very focused on the hostages and the others in harms way? In my community the two perakim of Tehillim have become a vehu rachum kind of rushed affair and talk has largely turned from the soldiers dying daily to vacay plans and destinations. Rabbi Benders message resonated with me. I thought it was very on target yet balanced. To each his own.

[JMHO]

Maybe in his community they are still very focused on the hostages and the others in harms way? In my community the two perakim of Tehillim have become a vehu rachum kind of rushed affair and talk has largely turned from the soldiers dying daily to vacay plans and destinations. Rabbi Benders message resonated with me. I thought it was very on target yet balanced. To each his own.

How are you and your family balancing the tragic daily news from EY while life continues in Lakewood? Let's use mid-winter vacation as an example.

[jj1000]

whats wrong with this message?

Was this meant for me?

[shmooz]

Was this meant for me?

He thought you were disliking the shiur, but you are disliking the post above it.

[cmey]

How are you and your family balancing the tragic daily news from EY while life continues in Lakewood? Let's use mid-winter vacation as an example.

I’m not sure yet. I’m leaning toward taking the kids on a trip but if there is some way to tone it down I would like to. As far as the two of us, we are looking to push off plans until later in the winter hoping the atmosphere will be more appropriate for a full blown vacation then but I am open to going sooner if we really need the break. I would be ok  perhaps with going to Israel like last year even while the situation is ongoing but obviously would be a whole different experience with travel severely limited and the idea of being there as a tourist doesn’t really speak to me right now so that’s probably not going to happen.

[Moshe Green]

We need to institute a dislike button on DDF.

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[Something Fishy]

Accommodations are terrible. 1/10
Chairs are hard and ropes are uncomfortable.

View is lousy. Noise level is unacceptable; constant bombing noises from outside. This place needs some serious soundproofing.

Pitas were hard 2/10

Rice was dry and portions were small. 1/10

 The wait for the food to come out was hours. Completely unacceptable.


Thread title:
Should we reconsider how we travel in light of tue situation in Israel?

I haven’t heard any Rabbanim advocating cutting out vacations. They are necessary to rejuvenate to refresh ourselves, and to reconnect with spouses and family. But as we plan our vacations we can keep in mind the plight of acheinu bnei yisrael and the message we are sending our children and plan accordingly.

Rabbi Bender on vacation this year:
https://darchei.wistia.com/medias/ov3z1te28z

Here, ftfy.

Went from a completely distasteful post to a useful and thought-provoking one.

[notyettaken]

Here, ftfy.

Went from a completely distasteful post to a useful and thought-provoking one.

This is why we need mods. If you see any please ask them to fix this.

[Yo ssi]

This is why we need mods. If you see any please ask them to fix this.

Mr notyettaken meet the [global] mod indeed taken by:

[Euclid]

Mr notyettaken meet the [global] mod indeed taken by:

Pretty sure that was his point

[Yo ssi]

Pretty sure that was his point

Still had to..

[shlomoandtam]

Happens to be there have been much fewer posts on "Destination Guides And Trip Planning" since Oct 7th.

[ckmk47]

When the children are home, you need to do something constructive with them.  A vacation makes sense. Adults sometimes need a change in routine, or time to decompress.  A vacation makes sense. 
Although our brethren are in extreme circumstances, much of our 'regular life' goes on.
Maybe instead of a frivolous all-fun vacation, do something or include something meaningful. 
ideas: Hit the Jewish history areas and old shuls. Spend Shabbos with locals, volunteer at their food bank or visit their homebound. Daven with a minyan when possible; (daven even when not;) remember to have the kids daven. 
etc.

[cmey]

Maybe in his community they are still very focused on the hostages and the others in harms way? In my community the two perakim of Tehillim have become a vehu rachum kind of rushed affair and talk has largely turned from the soldiers dying daily to vacay plans and destinations. Rabbi Benders message resonated with me. I thought it was very on target yet balanced. To each his own.

14 soldiers killed over the weekend Hashem yerachem. 14 families that said goodbye- wives, little children, young parents, many just like you and me, and its largely become another news item and a quick krechtz. 10 seriously injured. Let’s focus on those words for a moment. Seriously injured. Seriously injured often means blinded, losing limbs, losing the ability to walk, brain injuries, deafness. Not what most of us picture- a WhatsApp status of a chayal in a bed smiling with everyone dancing as he is fully recuperated. Many if not most will never fully recuperate.

Is it a coincidence that our Tefillos and Tehillim are losing their intensity and we are losing so many more soldiers daily? Of course there’s an explanation Al Pi Teva: hand to hand combat, close quarters, elite terrorists, yada, yada. There always is. But we all need to keep up the focus however we can.

I found myself zoning out during Tehillim yesterday. It’s not easy. And it’s understandable. Even someone saying Tehillim for a close loved one gets jaded after a while. But we have to find ways to share on their tzar and to be motivated to be mispallel for them. And little changes in routine in our daily lives, yes even how we vacation, can help.

[yfr bachur]

I'm hesitant to add my two cents here, as I've seen that many people get very defensive, very quickly, when this topic gets brought up.

I live in EY, in a Charedi Kehilla.
Sorry, I have to agree the original poster - even in my Kehila, and in other kehilos I've visited over the past in EY - the Tehillim has become rote, with half the tzibur walking out while saying it or even before... We, as a tzibur maybe, just maybe, are disconnected just a little too much from the Acheinu Bais Yisroel hanesunim batzara uvashivya... It's over there far away, it's not people who look/dress like me, we have hashkafaic differences, they were doing avoda zara anyway... We don't feel like it's our brothers literally in captivity or getting shot at...

I forgot who I heard it from - but I think the point has value - The avodas hayom of those people who are intimately involved in the tzara is to continue life - have the wedding ever though  relatives who can't attend (captivity/called up/injured/dead), have the simcha, continue everyday life, don't fall to pieces... That's what the RBS"O wants... The further away you get from it being literally personal the more your avodas hayom is nesiya be'ol... and not to just go on with everything the same...

Look - I need a break/vacation now. My wife says so, my chavrusa says so - and I agree with them. I just haven't found anything that I (or they!) think is appropriate in the current situation to do... and in the meantime I am suffering (relatively). but I understand the reason why I haven't taken the break yet.

I found the OP post a perfectly fine and original way to make a point that some people don't want to hear. Sometimes when it's shocking and unexpected - the point goes in.

[Definitions2]

I'm part of the people that walk out when tehilim is said. Sometimes I stay it depends on my mood at the time. I don't want to say tehilim out of rote so I walk out. I have my own personal short tefila in mind most of the time.

I don't feel the need anymore to daven specifically for the war since in my mind I feel like Israel already contained the war so I don't feel it as much. Nothing to do with the soldiers beliefs, I wholeheartedly consider them equal as anyone else.

Even in the beginning of the war I didn't feel the need to cut down or make any sort of kabbalos. The only thing I did feel was important was davening. So that's what I did.

Is it wrong? Possibly. I'm writing it how it is by me.

[jew]

I'm part of the people that walk out when tehilim is said. Sometimes I stay it depends on my mood at the time. I don't want to say tehilim out of rote so I walk out. I have my own personal short tefila in mind most of the time.

I don't feel the need anymore to daven specifically for the war since in my mind I feel like Israel already contained the war so I don't feel it as much. Nothing to do with the soldiers beliefs, I wholeheartedly consider them equal as anyone else.

Even in the beginning of the war I didn't feel the need to cut down or make any sort of kabbalos. The only thing I did feel was important was davening. So that's what I did.

Is it wrong? Possibly. I'm writing it how it is by me.

Appreciate your honesty but I will be really honest too that I find this post very  very disturbing:(