Lakewood NJ Master Thread

[MarkS]

WOW!

If each of those families has a kid every other year, thats 350 new kids (aside from the general population) that need to be accounted for. There needs to be at least 2 new schools opened each year.
 

[dd321]

Imagine what Lkwd will be in 5yrs

[Dan]

One of these days I have to check out this place for myself

Think SF will come for the DO

[churnbabychurn]

One of these days I have to check out this place for myself

Think SF will come for the DO

We even have a chabad shul..

[churnbabychurn]

Imagine what Lkwd will be in 5yrs

Fuhgeddaboudit!

[Mimi K.]

I always thought this Thread was for local deals and requests for such. 
Apparently it was a thread to lure people from Lakewood to get bashed.   
Lakewood is a Unique community with unique Maalos and chasronos.
We should start a thread where only people who live or are visiting Lakewood can post RELEVANT info or Questions.

[Deal Guy]

One of these days I have to check out this place for myself

Think SF will come for the DO

No! You might come with a open mind to see the place. SF is extremely biased already.
But if he wants to come with a open mind to see the other half of Lakewood, he is welcome.

[Mimi K.]

We even have a chabad shul..

Is it Ironic that the Chabad house is off the corner of St Nick's? 

[dd321]

One of these days I have to check out this place for myself

Think SF will come for the DO

you'll need more than a day to get the full experience

[Baruch]

There are elitist (translate Gaavah see R' Steinman video) schools in Lakewood. People have to use pull and protektzia to get into these schools. What once used to be call your rich uncle to get into Brisk, is now call your rich uncle to get into Pre 1A!!!

The most powerful people in town are the Rashei Mosdos, and a lot of them wield that power for personal benefit. I will not get into details. But a lot of them aren't exactly the most ehrliche yerei shomayim.

[churnbabychurn]

 

Is it Ironic that the Chabad house is off the corner of St Nick's? 

[Mimi K.]

I always thought this Thread was for local deals and requests for such. 
Apparently it was a thread to lure people from Lakewood to get bashed.   
Lakewood is a Unique community with unique Maalos and chasronos.
We should start a thread where only people who live or are visiting Lakewood can post RELEVANT info or Questions.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=26629.msg444794#msg444794

[Baruch]

R' shteinman video

if anyone knows how to embed, please embed.

[Mimi K.]

There are elitist (translate Gaavah see R' Steinman video) schools in Lakewood. People have to use pull and protektzia to get into these schools. What once used to be call your rich uncle to get into Brisk, is now call your rich uncle to get into Pre 1A!!!

The most powerful people in town are the Rashei Mosdos, and a lot of them wield that power for personal benefit. I will not get into details. But a lot of them aren't exactly the most ehrliche yerei shomayim.

I heard in Monroe you can't get into Satmar schools if you don't cover your Shaitel 

[Moishebatchy]

I'm gonna say something a little different than what's been said until now. I know some people, like Mimi K, have branded me a "Lakewood hater" and (in an ironic twist) have made lots of hateful remarks toward me. But the fact is, all of my siblings live in Lakewood (I have bli ayin hara over 30 nieces and nephews in the school system), and I myself lived there for a few years. I have 3 brothers-in-law in chinuch, and a brother who gives a shiur. So I'm not some random crackpot posting semi-anonymous comments on an online forum - I have some concrete knowledge about certain things.

I want to point something out to you guys: the fact that Lakewood now has a working community living side-by-side with the yeshiva community did NOT come about as a result of the yeshivishe community opening their arms and announcing that every Jew is welcome. The yeshivishe community did whatever they could to keep working people out at first; only after the working community took root, and the yeshivishe community realized they weren't leaving anytime soon, did they grudgingly agree to try and live peaceably with their new neighbors. This is NOT hateful speculation on my part; this is fact, backed up with concrete evidence.

When the school problem was still in its infancy, one of my brothers-in-law was talking to the admistrators of two schools about the stories of people not getting into schools, and they BOTH told him "we try our best not to allow working people's children into our school, as a deterrent to such people moving here; if they know they don't have anyplace for their kids to go to school, working people will be discouraged from moving to Lakewood". One of them even cited two examples of working men (whose wives both happened to have been in high school with my sister, so she was able to corroborate the story) who had planned on moving with their families to Lakewood, but changed their plans once they realized that they would have nowhere to send their kids. And the person who told this to my brother-in-law did so with great pride, as of he considered this a "success story".

So, why am I mentioning this? Because yes, you guys are right, now there is a space issue. BUT... let the record reflect, that's NOT how it started. It started with far less noble intentions. It started with shameful intolerance of one's brothers and sisters, and their way of life - and back then, we weren't talking about people with tzniyus issues; it was a simple distinction of kollel vs. working.

And yes, it's very nice that now they have a Vaad who deals with this... but isn't it sad that this is even necessary? Isn't it sad that instead of schools volunteering nicely to take in those who may not be their first choice of students, they instead have to be forced by a communal body to take in those that they deem misfits? Like R' Steinman, said, it is pure ga'avah.

So again, I'm not a Lakewood hater. I go there to visit all the time, and would even attend a DO (assuming I don't get stoned ) there. I don't hate the town or the people who live there; I just don't condone what they do (yitamu chato'im v'al chotim, so to speak). There are certain things that just drive me over the edge. And that is why although I will visit often, I highly doubt I will live there again. I can respect their right to do whatever they please, but I can't see myself ever being a part of it.

#my2cents

[Baruch]

Before everyone attacks the guy with the big peyos arguing with Rav Steinman, I heard he was trying to get Rav Steinman on video cursing out the whole elitist business, he totally agrees with him.

[Baruch]

I don't hate the town or the people who live there; I just don't condone what they do (yitamu chato'im v'al chotim, so to speak). There are certain things that just drive me over the edge. And that is why although I will visit often, I highly doubt I will live there again. I can respect their right to do whatever they please, but I can't see myself ever being a part of it.

#my2cents

Don't put all learning people in one category, don't say THEY, say some of them. Many learning people are totally tolerant and hate the GAAVAH! system.

[Saver2000]

@Moishebatchy
Imagine you (as a working guy) try moving into new square tomorrow and send your kids to their schools. .  .you think they won't have any problems with it?

[yuneeq]

I'm gonna say something a little different than what's been said until now. I know some people, like Mimi K, have branded me a "Lakewood hater" and (in an ironic twist) have made lots of hateful remarks toward me. But the fact is, all of my siblings live in Lakewood (I have bli ayin hara over 30 nieces and nephews in the school system), and I myself lived there for a few years. I have 3 brothers-in-law in chinuch, and a brother who gives a shiur. So I'm not some random crackpot posting semi-anonymous comments on an online forum - I have some concrete knowledge about certain things.

I want to point something out to you guys: the fact that Lakewood now has a working community living side-by-side with the yeshiva community did NOT come about as a result of the yeshivishe community opening their arms and announcing that every Jew is welcome. The yeshivishe community did whatever they could to keep working people out at first; only after the working community took root, and the yeshivishe community realized they weren't leaving anytime soon, did they grudgingly agree to try and live peaceably with their new neighbors. This is NOT hateful speculation on my part; this is fact, backed up with concrete evidence.

When the school problem was still in its infancy, one of my brothers-in-law was talking to the admistrators of two schools about the stories of people not getting into schools, and they BOTH told him "we try our best not to allow working people's children into our school, as a deterrent to such people moving here; if they know they don't have anyplace for their kids to go to school, working people will be discouraged from moving to Lakewood". One of them even cited two examples of working men (whose wives both happened to have been in high school with my sister, so she was able to corroborate the story) who had planned on moving with their families to Lakewood, but changed their plans once they realized that they would have nowhere to send their kids. And the person who told this to my brother-in-law did so with great pride, as of he considered this a "success story".

So, why am I mentioning this? Because yes, you guys are right, now there is a space issue. BUT... let the record reflect, that's NOT how it started. It started with far less noble intentions. It started with shameful intolerance of one's brothers and sisters, and their way of life - and back then, we weren't talking about people with tzniyus issues; it was a simple distinction of kollel vs. working.

And yes, it's very nice that now they have a Vaad who deals with this... but isn't it sad that this is even necessary? Isn't it sad that instead of schools volunteering nicely to take in those who may not be their first choice of students, they instead have to be forced by a communal body to take in those that they deem misfits? Like R' Steinman, said, it is pure ga'avah.

So again, I'm not a Lakewood hater. I go there to visit all the time, and would even attend a DO (assuming I don't get stoned ) there. I don't hate the town or the people who live there; I just don't condone what they do (yitamu chato'im v'al chotim, so to speak). There are certain things that just drive me over the edge. And that is why although I will visit often, I highly doubt I will live there again. I can respect their right to do whatever they please, but I can't see myself ever being a part of it.

#my2cents

If the situation changed, why are you still against it, (although not in a hateful manner)?

[Dan]

Is it Ironic that the Chabad house is off the corner of St Nick's? 

Hysterical