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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2940 on: September 01, 2022, 06:53:51 PM »
Many Litvish yeshivas have tables and chairs.

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2. They must have some Chassidishe influence.
3. See my edit to the post above explaining the significance.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2941 on: September 01, 2022, 06:58:59 PM »
Those with tables and chairs also learn side by side?
Typically no (but there are no "rules")

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« Reply #2942 on: September 01, 2022, 07:00:43 PM »
1. POIDH
2. They must have some Chassidishe influence.
3. See my edit to the post above explaining the significance.
I've never heard of a ruchniyus reason for tables vs shtenders in yeshiva. I always assumed whichever they chose had to do with practicality (and ergonomics)

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2943 on: September 01, 2022, 07:01:22 PM »
Typically no (but there are no "rules")

So Exgingi is right, it all has to do with tables vs shtenders, not so much on sects. Although shtenders I believe is a litvish exclusive thing.

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2944 on: September 01, 2022, 07:02:28 PM »
I've never heard of a ruchniyus reason for tables vs shtenders in yeshiva. I always assumed whichever they chose had to do with practicality (and ergonomics)

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2945 on: September 01, 2022, 07:03:37 PM »
So Exgingi is right, it all has to do with tables vs shtenders, not so much on sects. Although shtenders I believe is a litvish exclusive thing.

What about true Sefaradi Yeshivos (not Litvishe style Sefaradi)?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2946 on: September 01, 2022, 07:51:40 PM »
1. POIDH
2. They must have some Chassidishe influence.
3. See my edit to the post above explaining the significance.
Rav Moshe Ztz"l held to specifically use tables and not shtenders, because you should bend yourself to the sefer and not visa-versa and both of his Yeshivos have tables (and a few table-top shtenders)
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2947 on: September 01, 2022, 08:34:01 PM »
Many chasidish yeshivas in Israel learn by tables side by side
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2948 on: September 01, 2022, 11:44:19 PM »
Many chasidish yeshivas in Israel learn by tables side by side
Yep. This is what was done by me. Non Lubavitch chasidish in Israel. I remember seeing this in most of not all of the other similar yeshivos I visited. I think side by side and not accross is a practical thing so you don't have chairs on both side of the tables.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2949 on: September 01, 2022, 11:46:30 PM »
Many have benches not chairs
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2950 on: September 01, 2022, 11:58:31 PM »
Many have benches not chairs
exactly, I think this adds to the dynamic . Benches w shtenders you can only sit next to each other (or one stands and one sits). If it’s tables and chairs I think the majority will sit opposite each other (maybe w the exception of learning mussar seforim you might sit next to each other)
With shtenders and chairs I think you’ll find a big mix in the bm w some side by side, some facing each other but positioned side by side, or one standing one sitting
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2951 on: September 02, 2022, 12:00:32 AM »
exactly, I think this adds to the dynamic . Benches w shtenders you can only sit next to each other (or one stands and one sits). If it’s tables and chairs I think the majority will sit opposite each other (maybe w the exception of learning mussar seforim you might sit next to each other)
With shtenders and chairs I think you’ll find a big mix in the bm w some side by side, some facing each other but positioned side by side, or one standing one sitting
Or benches with tables
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2952 on: September 02, 2022, 12:40:21 AM »
What about true Sefaradi Yeshivos (not Litvishe style Sefaradi)?

I've seen a bunch but usually not using shtenders. I've been in tables with chairs side by side (Israel) or across the able, or table with bench side by side. But to answer the question directly - there aren't really any "true" Sefaradi yeshivas in regards to this matter, Litvishe practice has definitely permeated all Sefaradi yeshivos to a certain extent.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2953 on: September 02, 2022, 01:05:33 AM »
Yep. This is what was done by me. Non Lubavitch chasidish in Israel. I remember seeing this in most of not all of the other similar yeshivos I visited. I think side by side and not accross is a practical thing so you don't have chairs on both side of the tables.
Many have benches not chairs
I believe the main reason it’s done is just for space saving, sitting side by side especially with benches fits in way way more people in a Heichel
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2954 on: September 02, 2022, 08:34:52 AM »
Learning with a shtender is like eating faran davenen

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2955 on: September 05, 2022, 09:59:56 PM »
Learning with a shtender is like eating faran davenen

Better to learn with a shtender so you focus on your learning , than to learn bent over the sefer and focus on your aching back? 
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2956 on: September 06, 2022, 12:36:31 AM »
Better to learn with a shtender so you focus on your learning , than to learn bent over the sefer and focus on your aching back?

With this logic it correlates directly with eating before davenen, according to the Tzemach's saying "ענדערש עסן כדי צי דאווענען ווי איידער דאווענען כדי צי עסן"

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2957 on: September 06, 2022, 12:39:11 AM »
With this logic it correlates directly with eating before davenen, according to the Tzemach's saying "ענדערש עסן כדי צי דאווענען ווי איידער דאווענען כדי צי עסן"

A little backwards ;) I was using the Tzemach Tzedek's saying to see if I could figure out @yesitsme's correlating the 2.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2958 on: September 06, 2022, 12:40:42 AM »
A little backwards ;) I was using the Tzemach Tzedek's saying to see if I could figure out @yesitsme's correlating the 2.

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #2959 on: September 06, 2022, 09:27:00 AM »
I don't know what proper Sefaradi yeshiva style is, Yemenite is presumably around a table with one Sefer, with each person getting their own angle.

Yemenites still do that?
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