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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1660 on: January 07, 2023, 10:25:05 PM »
That’s pretty naive. There’s so many moving parts and too much money involved to unilaterally start guaranteeing all contracts. Cap management would drastically change, every roster would have to be completely redone, and players salaries will go down. It can’t happen without a new CBA, which isn’t due for another 8 years.

Even with cooperation between all sides, it would take years of easing in the “all contracts guaranteed” requirement.
I guess you missed the /s.

The point is that management is the issue, not the union.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1661 on: January 07, 2023, 10:36:08 PM »
I guess you missed the /s.

The point is that management is the issue, not the union.

For some reason the management of every other sports league is much more generous. The same rich old white men. Some even have ownership in the NFL as well. It might have to do with the strength of their respective unions. And as mentioned earlier, NFL revenue should ensure the strongest union yet they are still a miserable failure.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1662 on: January 07, 2023, 11:04:32 PM »
For some reason the management of every other sports league is much more generous. The same rich old white men. Some even have ownership in the NFL as well. It might have to do with the strength of their respective unions. And as mentioned earlier, NFL revenue should ensure the strongest union yet they are still a miserable failure.
To think the strength of a union is based on management's revenue is a lack of knowledge on how it works. A prime example would be the teacher's union which their strength has nothing to do with revenue. I think we have been down this road before. 

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1663 on: January 08, 2023, 09:01:20 AM »
Always wondered why this isn't a penalty.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1665 on: January 09, 2023, 03:56:53 PM »

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1666 on: January 14, 2023, 11:30:13 PM »
I turned the game off before half!!! UNREAL
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1667 on: January 14, 2023, 11:35:15 PM »
Crazy game indeed. Told my brother not to count them out at 27-7 can’t believe they actually did it though.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1668 on: January 14, 2023, 11:37:41 PM »
Crazy game indeed. Told my brother not to count them out at 27-7 can’t believe they actually did it though.
Bonehead penalties will kill you. Who would have thought they would go for two.
Was either the greatest or worst call based on the outcome.  :)
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1669 on: January 15, 2023, 12:04:14 AM »
Bonehead penalties will kill you. Who would have thought they would go for two.
Was either the greatest or worst call based on the outcome.  :)

Once they got the penalty they had to go for 2
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1670 on: January 15, 2023, 12:08:33 AM »
Once they got the penalty they had to go for 2
Not according to Coach Dungy.  :)
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1671 on: January 15, 2023, 12:16:22 AM »
Chargers chargered it up in the most chargers way

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1672 on: January 15, 2023, 01:02:38 AM »
Not according to Coach Dungy.  :)

There’s a reason why he isn’t calling the Sunday/Monday games
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1673 on: January 15, 2023, 07:25:10 AM »
There’s a reason why he isn’t calling the Sunday/Monday games
...and there is a reason neither of us won a Superbowl.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1674 on: January 15, 2023, 09:55:42 AM »
...and there is a reason neither of us won a Superbowl.

And a reason Dougie P won a SB recently. QB sneak from 1 yard has 84% success rate, it’s literally the most likely play to convert. You have a 6’6 QB, you play to win the game.

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1675 on: January 15, 2023, 10:07:09 AM »
And a reason Dougie P won a SB recently. QB sneak from 1 yard has 84% success rate, it’s literally the most likely play to convert. You have a 6’6 QB, you play to win the game.
Statistics don't win games. I guess you feel you know more about coaching than Dungy.

I guess Pederson missed your 84% stat when he did the end around on 4th and less than one.  :)

Statements like this just shows lack of knowledge. It is not that cut and dry.
Once they got the penalty they had to go for 2

After the game, Jaguars coach Doug Pederson said he doesn’t deserve the credit for the gutsy call.
“We’ve gotta think players not plays, and trust our guys,” Pederson told reporters in his postgame press conference. “Our guys believe. Once we scored that touchdown in the end, they wanted to go for two. It wasn’t my decision, the players were like ‘Let’s go.’ I’ve got a lot of faith and trust in them.”
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1676 on: January 15, 2023, 10:17:34 AM »
And a reason Dougie P won a SB recently. QB sneak from 1 yard has 84% success rate, it’s literally the most likely play to convert. You have a 6’6 QB, you play to win the game.

https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/1614486562430926848

And yet he didn't go for the sneak with 3rd and 4th and 1 on the winning drive

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1677 on: January 15, 2023, 10:23:31 AM »
And yet he didn't go for the sneak with 3rd and 4th and 1 on the winning drive
On 4th down he called a TO right before the snap. Something changed that he didn't like. All I am pointing out is going for the two points was not a cut and dry decision. I am sure coaches are on both sides for this one.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1678 on: January 15, 2023, 11:03:01 AM »
And yet he didn't go for the sneak with 3rd and 4th and 1 on the winning drive
1. Everything suggests that they called a sneak on 4th and 1, but didn't get a good look and then audibled to an outside run before ultimately calling a TO.

2. Goal-to-go makes the QB sneak a much safer call. Play is over as soon as ball clears the plane.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1679 on: January 15, 2023, 12:37:58 PM »
On 4th down he called a TO right before the snap. Something changed that he didn't like. All I am pointing out is going for the two points was not a cut and dry decision. I am sure coaches are on both sides for this one.

On 4th and 1 - he showed a run to the right, called timeout to “change” the play, faked a QB sneak, and still ran it to the right gaining 25 yards. Supposedly this is a common play in CFB.

There was a lot of big brain strategy involved, it was bigger risk no doubt, but the ability to grind out 25 yards is obviously not possible on a sneak. If you’re a good coach with a trick play you can execute well this is the perfect time for it.

Statistics don't win games. I guess you feel you know more about coaching than Dungy.

I guess Pederson missed your 84% stat when he did the end around on 4th and less than one.  :)

I agree with this, don’t look at stats blindly. I’m just saying my opinion based on the situation, the momentum, and players involved, and the fact that stats are on your side to begin with makes it a no brainer, for me at least.

On the flip side some people saying the Chargers needed to run it more, ignoring that every run was getting stuffed while their passing kept the clock running. You can blame the coach for an ineffective run game but if he can’t get it working he has to figure out something other than going 3 and out on run plays.
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