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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1620 on: January 04, 2023, 06:41:11 PM »


The problem with the NFLPA is that the vets and all stars hold all the power and influence, as long as they get paid 20m/year guaranteed and a bigger chunk of of the pie, they couldn’t care less what matters to the average NFL player that gets paid nothing.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1621 on: January 04, 2023, 06:47:30 PM »
The problem with the NFLPA is that the vets and all stars hold all the power and influence, as long as they get paid 20m/year guaranteed and a bigger chunk of of the pie, they couldn’t care less what matters to the average NFL player that gets paid nothing.
that's the same issue with every union ever. and yet...

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1622 on: January 04, 2023, 07:13:31 PM »
But who says it's a problem? Fans tune in to watch the all-stars, and networks fork over $B's for the rights to air the most compelling (all-star laden) matchups.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1623 on: January 04, 2023, 07:21:21 PM »
But who says it's a problem? Fans tune in to watch the all-stars, and networks fork over $B's for the rights to air the most compelling (all-star laden) matchups.
Because even role players are putting their lives at risk. If it was only about money - then ok it's capitalism. But this is a travesty.

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1624 on: January 04, 2023, 07:27:04 PM »
that's the same issue with every union ever. and yet...

Except this doesn’t happen in hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, etc
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1625 on: January 04, 2023, 07:45:07 PM »
Except this doesn’t happen in hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, etc

And those sports don't wreck players' post-playing lives like football does.


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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1626 on: January 04, 2023, 08:12:24 PM »
Because even role players are putting their lives at risk. If it was only about money - then ok it's capitalism. But this is a travesty.

And they agreed to the deal. I'm not even sure the guy in the video is correct. From the few articles I looked up it makes no mention of decreases, and nothing about pension or the things he's concerned with. And the truth is that all their benefits have actually been increased. The fact is these benefits were not a major concern for the players, who decided to fight for a 20% pay bump today over changing the long term benefits more in their favor.

And those sports don't wreck players' post-playing lives like football does.

You have the choice to play. And if you do, don't make agreements that trade short term money over your long term needs. The NFL could've easily covered much better benefits but it wasn't a major issue going in.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1627 on: January 04, 2023, 08:28:03 PM »
And they agreed to the deal.

You have the choice to play.
Cmon you need to look at the big picture - not just at "hey there are other jobs out there". These are people who were raised to play football and for a significant percentage of them it's their only path to being able to earn a living (remember - the average shelf life of an NFL player is not long at all - so all the money they earn now has to last).

Also, as you mentioned earlier, the people agreeing to the CBA are not the same ones who actually need the benefits after they're discarded.

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1628 on: January 04, 2023, 08:52:36 PM »
Cmon you need to look at the big picture - not just at "hey there are other jobs out there". These are people who were raised to play football and for a significant percentage of them it's their only path to being able to earn a living (remember - the average shelf life of an NFL player is not long at all - so all the money they earn now has to last).

Also, as you mentioned earlier, the people agreeing to the CBA are not the same ones who actually need the benefits after they're discarded.

The players vote on it, and by a majority, so yes it’s the same people voting that are affected. But they get enticed with a pay bump among other things they cared about more and voted for it. Benefits weren’t even an issue of concern if you look it up. The NFL isn’t going to spontaneously overhaul benefits if the players don’t even care enough to mention it.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1629 on: January 04, 2023, 09:07:42 PM »
This is pure BS and management propaganda. Without the union the NFL players would be worse off.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1630 on: January 04, 2023, 09:26:23 PM »
This is pure BS and management propaganda. Without the union the NFL players would be worse off.
That isn't a contradiction
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1632 on: January 05, 2023, 10:45:10 AM »
This is pure BS and management propaganda. Without the union the NFL players would be worse off.

On the contrary, I'm not on the side of the owners, I think the union should do much better than they've done. Football has the most risk (by far) of all the major risks, yet it is football that has the non-guaranteed money garbage, and players who leave the sport with their brains all screwed up without coverage.

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Re: NFL Master Thread
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1635 on: January 06, 2023, 12:04:01 AM »
On the contrary, I'm not on the side of the owners, I think the union should do much better than they've done.
What would you prefer, an extra few hundred thousand dollars a year or health coverage? It’s likely they preferred to negotiate for a larger revenue share which is worth more on average than health coverage (estimated at around $4K a month per active player from what I’ve seen). Although there may be fringe cases like Hamlin where coverage would have been better for him, on the whole players are likely better off this way. (Unless we’re not trusting them to manage their finances properly to ensure lasting coverage, but I’m not sure why the league is responsible to be their babysitters).

The word “benefits” is usually a way for management to get away with spending less money while sounding impressive on a lower salary. It works both ways, though. Amazon did the reverse a few years ago when they cut benefits but raised their minimum wage to $15 an hour. Pure semantics.
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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1636 on: January 06, 2023, 04:04:49 AM »
(Unless we’re not trusting them to manage their finances properly to ensure lasting coverage, but I’m not sure why the league is responsible to be their babysitters).
The fact that every major US pro league makes all its players sit through a finance management course should tell you how much they trust them to manage their finances

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NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1637 on: January 06, 2023, 04:23:53 AM »
The fact that every major US pro league makes all its players sit through a finance management course should tell you how much they trust them to manage their finances
How does that signify anything? Personal financial management isn't knowledge that magically appears. Many yeshivas teach it too.

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1638 on: January 06, 2023, 05:55:49 AM »
How does that signify anything? Personal financial management isn't knowledge that magically appears. Many yeshivas teach it too.
They only started teaching it after many players blew all their money right away. There was an OKC Thunder player who I think had to sleep in the stadium for a few months

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Re: NFL Master Thread
« Reply #1639 on: January 06, 2023, 08:38:14 AM »
What would you prefer, an extra few hundred thousand dollars a year or health coverage? It’s likely they preferred to negotiate for a larger revenue share which is worth more on average than health coverage (estimated at around $4K a month per active player from what I’ve seen). Although there may be fringe cases like Hamlin where coverage would have been better for him, on the whole players are likely better off this way. (Unless we’re not trusting them to manage their finances properly to ensure lasting coverage, but I’m not sure why the league is responsible to be their babysitters).

The word “benefits” is usually a way for management to get away with spending less money while sounding impressive on a lower salary. It works both ways, though. Amazon did the reverse a few years ago when they cut benefits but raised their minimum wage to $15 an hour. Pure semantics.

I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of the CBA. I do know that football players suffer lasting injuries at an incomparable rate to other sports. They also seem to be the only sport where the team can promise a player a contract, but only needs to guarantee a portion of it. It also seems that even with the cte settlement a few years back that players are not really getting the money.

I don't care how you structure it. ALL players need to be paid enough that they can get medical care for the rest of their (football shortened) lives.