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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #140 on: January 29, 2017, 04:01:33 PM »
honestly if there was a clearly identifiable group of people from chicago from whom the murderers were disproportionately coming from who were not already citizens which precludes our ability to get rid of them, Id be all for it.... :)
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #142 on: January 29, 2017, 04:05:22 PM »
The problem is that the text and the implementation are worlds apart.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #143 on: January 29, 2017, 04:31:37 PM »
Why don't you spell this out instead of weakly hiding this disgusting comment behind an emoji?
Not sure what you mean or what exactly you think I mean, do you know what I was responding to and what our conversation is about?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #144 on: January 29, 2017, 04:46:45 PM »
Refugee's have three kills in how many years? That's a few days in Chicago. Maybe would should ban all from Chicago?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #145 on: January 29, 2017, 04:54:45 PM »
If you really believe that there is no possible threat to the USA whatsoever in letting in any and all Muslim refugees given what has taken place in Europe?

This is a straw man- no one is suggesting letting in any and all Muslim refugees. This is the current process for a refugee: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states


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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2017, 05:05:31 PM »
Is Bibi for this ban?
Well, consider the fact that the countries on that list don't let Bibi, his citizens, or anyone with Israeli stamps in their passports across their borders (aside from Somalia - highly restricted visa)

I can see why he would approve...

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2017, 05:29:57 PM »
Well, consider the fact that the countries on that list don't let Bibi, his citizens, or anyone with Israeli stamps in their passports across their borders (aside from Somalia - highly restricted visa)

I can see why he would approve...
Aha, so it is a retaliation thing? Or is it a racism thing comparible to those countries, and not a security measure?

Unless there is no connection or comparison.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2017, 06:26:53 PM »
Aha, so it is a retaliation thing? Or is it a racism thing comparible to those countries, and not a security measure?

Unless there is no connection or comparison.
Trump is doing it as retaliation for them against Israel?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #150 on: January 29, 2017, 07:17:12 PM »
honestly if there was a clearly identifiable group of people from chicago from whom the murderers were disproportionately coming from who were not already citizens which precludes our ability to get rid of them, Id be all for it.... :)
You mean like African Americans?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #151 on: January 29, 2017, 07:18:30 PM »
Ok, so who's the frum guy?
You mean the self hating Jew?  ;)
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #152 on: January 29, 2017, 07:46:24 PM »
Ok, so who's the frum guy?

And why isn't he covering his kids ears?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #153 on: January 29, 2017, 08:00:23 PM »
You mean the self hating Jew?  ;)
I understand why a Jew would want to be there. Saw this on FB:

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #154 on: January 29, 2017, 08:12:08 PM »
I understand why a Jew would want to be there.
I also understand why the child is holding a sign that says "refugees welcome".
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #155 on: January 29, 2017, 08:18:49 PM »
You mean like African Americans?
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #156 on: January 29, 2017, 08:20:27 PM »
This is a straw man- no one is suggesting letting in any and all Muslim refugees. This is the current process for a refugee: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
Yet not having proper and stringent screening procedures in place to weed out extremists has almost the same effect....

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #157 on: January 29, 2017, 08:25:50 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so).
Fair enough.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #158 on: January 29, 2017, 08:51:39 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....
Ooooohhh, you're sooooooooo close. See how bad it is to throw people out based on skin color? Now keep going with that line of reasoning......
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #159 on: January 29, 2017, 08:58:35 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....
The distinction between group and group is ridiculous.
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