El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread

[a mirrer]

They would need 3/4 planes for LAX alone plus 3/4 for HKG, and they are only getting 15

why3/4 planes for lax for a nice part of the year its only 3 times a week so 1 plane is enough and for the times when its 5 times a week 2 planes are enough

[shimino1]

why3/4 planes for lax for a nice part of the year its only 3 times a week so 1 plane is enough and for the times when its 5 times a week 2 planes are enough

+1 shouldn't be more than 1-2 planes for any route that only has 3-6 flights a week.

[yandmk]

They would need 3/4 planes for LAX alone plus 3/4 for HKG, and they are only getting 15

Huh? Why do they need more than 2 per route? The max frequency on those routes is once daily.

[SearchGuy]

Huh? Why do they need more than 2 per route? The max frequency on those routes is once daily.

It's a 15 hour flight plus 3 hours at least between flights that a total of 36 hours from TLV to TLV, at this same time (if the flights are daily) there is another 2 flights that left TLV since the first aircraft left TLV

[yandmk]

It's a 15 hour flight plus 3 hours at least between flights that a total of 36 hours from TLV to TLV, at this same time (if the flights are daily) there is another 2 flights that left TLV since the first aircraft left TLV

In 36 hrs, only one more aircraft departed from TLV....

[SearchGuy]

In 36 hrs, only one more aircraft departed from TLV....

Oops... I was off with my math

[shaulyaakov]

 Curious if they'll ever be able to move NY to 787. Imagine replicating capacity on 16 747 flights weekly from JFK alone.

[chff]

My 2 cents while everyone loves to bash LY.... (IME - in some aspects I like LY more then many other airlines)

LY will put the 787 on HKG/LAX first, yes to compete, but not putting them on NYC is not because we don't care about these clients - its the "demand". A 787 has less seats then a 747/777 and if LY flies 747/777 planes twice/trice daily to NYC and its full, it makes no sense to decrease the seats. I would say that once they announce the new hard product, all planes will be retrofitted going forward, except if they will retire that acft within the next C cycle. yes, it could take some time till they'll get all planes done etc

BA doesn't fly an A380 to NYC because they are happy with having multiple frequencies to NYC and an A380 will make them cut a flight, wheres if they deploy it to another market with one/two daily flights, they up the seats without having to add another flight.

[ExGingi]

My 2 cents while everyone loves to bash LY.... (IME - in some aspects I like LY more then many other airlines)

LY will put the 787 on HKG/LAX first, yes to compete, but not putting them on NYC is not because we don't care about these clients - its the "demand". A 787 has less seats then a 747/777 and if LY flies 747/777 planes twice/trice daily to NYC and its full, it makes no sense to decrease the seats. I would say that once they announce the new hard product, all planes will be retrofitted going forward, except if they will retire that acft within the next C cycle. yes, it could take some time till they'll get all planes done etc

BA doesn't fly an A380 to NYC because they are happy with having multiple frequencies to NYC and an A380 will make them cut a flight, wheres if they deploy it to another market with one/two daily flights, they up the seats without having to add another flight.

+1
Exactly my thoughts, except that LY is currently on my do not fly list, but that might change given enough reasons.

[shaulyaakov]

My 2 cents while everyone loves to bash LY.... (IME - in some aspects I like LY more then many other airlines)

LY will put the 787 on HKG/LAX first, yes to compete, but not putting them on NYC is not because we don't care about these clients - its the "demand". A 787 has less seats then a 747/777 and if LY flies 747/777 planes twice/trice daily to NYC and its full, it makes no sense to decrease the seats. I would say that once they announce the new hard product, all planes will be retrofitted going forward, except if they will retire that acft within the next C cycle. yes, it could take some time till they'll get all planes done etc

BA doesn't fly an A380 to NYC because they are happy with having multiple frequencies to NYC and an A380 will make them cut a flight, wheres if they deploy it to another market with one/two daily flights, they up the seats without having to add another flight.

Does the 787 with 3-4-3 have less capacity than the 777 does with 3-3-3?

[chff]

Does the 787 with 3-4-3 have less capacity than the 777 does with 3-3-3?

787 with 3-4-3??

[shaulyaakov]

787 with 3-4-3??

My mistake. Guess they are both 3-3-3. So Dreamliner prob has less space.

Perhaps LY could fly 4x daily to NYC (2 EWR/2 JFK) and make up some capacity that way, while avoiding a retrofit on the some of the older fleet and retire the 747 and save $$$ on the 747 fuel costs.

[a mirrer]

looks like they're getting ready to show off

[tavster]

There are only getting their plane in August, what will they show off?

[damaxer91]

There are only getting their plane in August, what will they show off?

They'll prob dress up a 767 and convince the Israeli Travel Agents its a Dreamliner

[ExGingi]

They'll prob dress up a 767 and convince the Israeli Travel Agents its a Dreamliner

LOL 👍

[a mirrer]

just spoke to somebody in Elal and they're making the Dreamliner 2-2-2 in business not reverse herringbone 👎

[yandmk]

just spoke to somebody in Elal and they're making the Dreamliner 2-2-2 in business not reverse herringbone 👎

Only time will tell. But IMHO, a GDS loaded seatmap vs a phone rep, I would say DROPR.

[a mirrer]

Only time will tell. But IMHO, a GDS loaded seatmap vs a phone rep, I would say DROPR.

not phone rep their sales rep in yerushalyim came trying to convince our office to convince business class customers who left in the past year to come back saying the business is going to be more like first because its 2-2-2 instead of 2-3-2 

[moe8555]

not phone rep their sales rep in yerushalyim came trying to convince our office to convince business class customers who left in the past year to come back saying the business is going to be more like first because its 2-2-2 instead of 2-3-2 

Yeah... still DROPR in my book.