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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 972932 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5980 on: January 05, 2024, 11:38:23 AM »
Looks great but i don't think it will be enough for a coffee... that's the main reason we heat up water before Shabbos...

You use hot tap water for coffee?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5981 on: January 06, 2024, 01:10:17 PM »
You use hot tap water for coffee?
no, but i wouldnt spend tons of money on a machine for hot water if i can't even use it for the most basic use of hot water on shabbos...

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5982 on: January 07, 2024, 02:37:12 PM »
no, but i wouldnt spend tons of money on a machine for hot water if i can't even use it for the most basic use of hot water on shabbos...
This was my q. Was explained that in places like Montreal it's a big deal to do dishes with warm water.
But, I'm not sure if it's worth giving up a few hours of properly functioning hot water Friday afternoon, and I'm not sure how it's possible otherwise

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5983 on: January 07, 2024, 05:04:04 PM »
no, but i wouldnt spend tons of money on a machine for hot water if i can't even use it for the most basic use of hot water on shabbos...
I guess the cold water in Israel is comfortable for washing hands and dishes.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5984 on: January 08, 2024, 02:10:24 AM »
I guess the cold water in Israel is comfortable for washing hands and dishes.
I guess i forgot about the US winter.

You are correct. It rarely gets cold here. The winter here is like 2 months. From like December 15th until February 15 and there are some places that you don't really even need a coat at all.
Main Israel (Between Yerushalayim and Tel Aviv) can go many years without a single snowflake.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5985 on: January 08, 2024, 04:35:42 AM »
I guess i forgot about the US winter.

You are correct. It rarely gets cold here. The winter here is like 2 months. From like December 15th until February 15 and there are some places that you don't really even need a coat at all.
Main Israel (Between Yerushalayim and Tel Aviv) can go many years without a single snowflake.

Unless its a rainy winter... I remember my first winter in EY, it seemed like I got cold with the first rain and was miserable till purim. Mind you, I almost never wore anything aside from my davening jacket in NY winters...
(I know, I know... you know what I mean... ;D)
OTOH in JLM you (especially women) could need a sweater at night even in July and August...  ;D
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5986 on: January 08, 2024, 08:44:56 AM »
Unless its a rainy winter... I remember my first winter in EY, it seemed like I got cold with the first rain and was miserable till purim. Mind you, I almost never wore anything aside from my davening jacket in NY winters...
(I know, I know... you know what I mean... ;D)
OTOH in JLM you (especially women) could need a sweater at night even in July and August...  ;D
todays weather

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5987 on: January 08, 2024, 11:09:07 AM »
todays weather


Yup. I was at a levaya today and they were handing out water...
but it's going to be in the low 40s at night for the forseeable future... not quite Montreal but cold enough to make the water uncomfortable in the morning...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2024, 11:13:14 AM by yfr bachur »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5988 on: January 08, 2024, 04:26:17 PM »
I dont think this is true. A few minutes before Shabbos, it runs out your hot water so that the tank is below YSB. You can even have this happen once Shabbos begins. as long as water is above YSB, it will not allow water to flow from your faucets.

This was my q. Was explained that in places like Montreal it's a big deal to do dishes with warm water.
But, I'm not sure if it's worth giving up a few hours of properly functioning hot water Friday afternoon, and I'm not sure how it's possible otherwise
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5989 on: January 08, 2024, 04:51:36 PM »
I dont think this is true. A few minutes before Shabbos, it runs out your hot water so that the tank is below YSB. You can even have this happen once Shabbos begins. as long as water is above YSB, it will not allow water to flow from your faucets.
what temperature is ysb?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5990 on: January 09, 2024, 01:09:04 PM »
what temperature is ysb?
according to who?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5991 on: January 09, 2024, 01:34:17 PM »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5992 on: January 09, 2024, 01:39:58 PM »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5993 on: January 10, 2024, 03:10:34 AM »
@Moshe Green @mevinyavin @rbs-g1.5  or any other Israeli minded member here:
Have any of you ever researched up to what outside temp the water in the dud shemesh wont get to yad soledes at all over shabbos?
I mean on a clear day... not a cold cloudy rainy one where theres no safek.
If you haven't - can you think of a way that this could be determined?


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5994 on: January 10, 2024, 08:08:24 AM »
what temperature is ysb?
Lchumra for shabbos etc either 104 (dt) 109.5 (igm) or 113 (rsza), but lchumra to make wine mevushal etc much higher

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5995 on: January 10, 2024, 08:17:19 PM »
I have a question,
A lot of times when a package comes late from Amazon or it does come not the next day even though I have Prime,
I chat with them that it's late or that it takes longer to arrive, and that's true,
But usually, I don't even care so much, and they compensate me, is it a problem?

(I don't have sympathy for Jeff Bezos- I usually buy items sold by Amazon, not 3d ps, if the answer is that it's just not nice.)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5996 on: January 11, 2024, 02:32:18 AM »
I have a question,
A lot of times when a package comes late from Amazon or it does come not the next day even though I have Prime,
I chat with them that it's late or that it takes longer to arrive, and that's true,
But usually, I don't even care so much, and they compensate me, is it a problem?

(I don't have sympathy for Jeff Bezos- I usually buy items sold by Amazon, not 3d ps, if the answer is that it's just not nice.)
I don't see an issue with that, halachically or ethically

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5997 on: January 11, 2024, 02:34:02 AM »
@Moshe Green @mevinyavin @rbs-g1.5  or any other Israeli minded member here:
Have any of you ever researched up to what outside temp the water in the dud shemesh wont get to yad soledes at all over shabbos?
I mean on a clear day... not a cold cloudy rainy one where theres no safek.
If you haven't - can you think of a way that this could be determined?
Nope.
I have tried to understand a dud shemesh but i never really understood how the sun makes the water hot... do you know how?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5998 on: January 11, 2024, 06:44:37 AM »
Nope.
I have tried to understand a dud shemesh but i never really understood how the sun makes the water hot... do you know how?

Basically it works using convection (hot air/water rises, cold sinks)
the tank has 4 connections. One inlet from the cold water system, one outlet to the house, It is connected with two connections to the "solar panel" one at the bottom of the tank and one at the topish. The panel is painted black with a snake of pipes (sort of like a reverse radiator/condenser coil). the (relatively) colder water in the tank sinks out of the tank into the panel piping flows through the snaking, picking heat up along the way, until it gets to the top of the tank...
More or less, all the water in the system is a consistent temp within a couple of degrees or so.
When you use water, the system lets new water in through the inlet - like all hot water tank systems.
Hope it's clear enough... I can try to clarify more if you need

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5999 on: January 11, 2024, 10:13:01 AM »
Basically it works using convection (hot air/water rises, cold sinks)
the tank has 4 connections. One inlet from the cold water system, one outlet to the house, It is connected with two connections to the "solar panel" one at the bottom of the tank and one at the topish. The panel is painted black with a snake of pipes (sort of like a reverse radiator/condenser coil). the (relatively) colder water in the tank sinks out of the tank into the panel piping flows through the snaking, picking heat up along the way, until it gets to the top of the tank...
More or less, all the water in the system is a consistent temp within a couple of degrees or so.
When you use water, the system lets new water in through the inlet - like all hot water tank systems.
Hope it's clear enough... I can try to clarify more if you need
So all the water slowly rises a bit at a time?
Why when im using the hot water it can quickly become cold?