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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1500 on: September 06, 2022, 04:55:37 PM »
I think it'd only really benefit somone that thinks lubavitchers aren't frum.


My overly simple (and totally uninformed) understanding is that "mainstream" chabad thinks the Rebbe could have been revealed as Mashiach but wasn't (in this gilgul.) and that there is a fringe (eg videos of people wishing l'chaim to an empty chair) who think the Rebbe never really died and will reveal himself as Mashiach. I may be (and probably am) way off the mark on this.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1501 on: September 06, 2022, 04:58:24 PM »

My overly simple (and totally uninformed) understanding is that "mainstream" chabad thinks the Rebbe could have been revealed as Mashiach but wasn't (in this gilgul.) and that there is a fringe (eg videos of people wishing l'chaim to an empty chair) who think the Rebbe never really died and will reveal himself as Mashiach. I may be (and probably am) way off the mark on this.
Not far off.

Anti
constipationist (Someone who just doesn't give a cr@p)
meshichist (moshiach doesn't have to come from the living)
The Rebbe is still alive
Elokistim

99% of chabad falls into the first 3 I think.

(Also 99% odds I delete all this if it devolves)
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1502 on: September 06, 2022, 05:00:05 PM »
Thinking back if there is one takeaway from that thread, is that the whole Rebbe being moshiach topic is a fraction of a fraction of what makes someone chabad and while people outside chabad make it seem to be 90% of what chabad is about, someone in chabad will say it's <1% of what chabad is about.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1503 on: September 06, 2022, 05:00:33 PM »

My overly simple (and totally uninformed) understanding is that "mainstream" chabad thinks the Rebbe could have been revealed as Mashiach but wasn't (in this gilgul.) and that there is a fringe (eg videos of people wishing l'chaim to an empty chair) who think the Rebbe never really died and will reveal himself as Mashiach. I may be (and probably am) way off the mark on this.

I won't necessarily agree or disagree with what you write (as a summary of that thread?), but missing from this is what the Rebbe said and to what extent does one who considers himself a Lubavitcher (or an aspiring Lubavitcher, to be more accurate) בפועל consider the Rebbe's words to be 100% true and part of Torah. See for example: https://chabad.info/moshiach/804334/
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1504 on: September 06, 2022, 05:08:33 PM »
Not far off.

Anti
constipationist (Someone who just doesn't give a cr@p)
meshichist (moshiach doesn't have to come from the living)
The Rebbe is still alive
Elokistim

99% of chabad falls into the first 3 I think.

(Also 99% odds I delete all this if it devolves)
Of the 99% what percent falls into meshichist

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1505 on: September 06, 2022, 05:09:32 PM »
Of the 99% what percent falls into meshichist
I have no idea, would need gallop for that.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1506 on: September 06, 2022, 05:16:45 PM »
I won't necessarily agree or disagree with what you write (as a summary of that thread?), but missing from this is what the Rebbe said and to what extent does one who considers himself a Lubavitcher (or an aspiring Lubavitcher, to be more accurate) בפועל consider the Rebbe's words to be 100% true and part of Torah. See for example: https://chabad.info/moshiach/804334/


I didn't read the thread as I was advised against it.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1507 on: September 06, 2022, 05:19:14 PM »

I didn't read the thread as I was advised against it.
If you're curious then read it.
If not, don't.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1508 on: September 06, 2022, 05:31:48 PM »
Of the 99% what percent falls into meshichist

What is the definition of "meshichist"?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1509 on: September 06, 2022, 05:58:29 PM »
Then ALL Lubavitchers would be perfectly ok with Skver/satmar/vishnitz shochtim. Doesn't seem so upthread.
They don't. I'm saying they should. If it's a Lubavitcher shoichet, then yes, they should also learn Chabad Seforim to indicate their yiras shamayim. But if they're not and they learn other Sifrei Chassidus then they should qualify, as well.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1510 on: September 06, 2022, 06:20:29 PM »
Another thing, to my knowledge, eating only Lubavitch shechitah is something kept by a vast minority of Lubavitchers.

IME, the vast majority of people who are makpid to only eat Lubavitch shechita are BTs. Probably close to an 80/20 split.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1511 on: September 06, 2022, 06:50:58 PM »
https://youtu.be/HqT5EqqO_jA?t=3734

The Rebbe founded Aish?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1512 on: September 06, 2022, 07:09:38 PM »
IME, the vast majority of people who are makpid to only eat Lubavitch shechita are BTs. Probably close to an 80/20 split.
No, plenty of gezh and ffb lubavitchers eat only lubavitch shchita

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1513 on: September 06, 2022, 07:10:09 PM »
Then ALL Lubavitchers would be perfectly ok with Skver/satmar/vishnitz shochtim. Doesn't seem so upthread.
Satmar is a different issue

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1514 on: September 06, 2022, 07:11:07 PM »
Satmar is a different issue

Halachic? ;)

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1515 on: September 06, 2022, 07:20:25 PM »
IME, the vast majority of people who are makpid to only eat Lubavitch shechita are BTs. Probably close to an 80/20 split.

Not my experience at all. But it would fit with the definition of gezeh as "someone whose best qualities are unter di erd."

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1516 on: September 06, 2022, 07:26:09 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1517 on: September 06, 2022, 07:28:02 PM »
In a certain way - yes.

Any random satmar shochet? Care to explain?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1518 on: September 06, 2022, 08:18:11 PM »
Any random satmar shochet? Care to explain?

There was a חרם on Hisachdus which was instituted in the early 80s which was never officially removed.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1519 on: September 06, 2022, 08:41:53 PM »
There was a חרם on Hisachdus which was instituted in the early 80s which was never officially removed.

So that would be an issue to eat from Hisachdus as an entity, not from a satmar shochet. IOW, You would be allowed to eat from a satmar shechting at Meal Mart/Agri but not at the Chabad retaurant in Palm Springs even they'd serve you Lubavitch shchita :P.