Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin

[TimT]

I was injured on bleachers in Skver when I was younger. Granted it wasn't life threatening, but they definitely aren't the safest of places and there should be a better solution than temporary bleachers.

What happened there ?

[Abebee]

[citation needed]
No deaths != no problems.

I was injured on bleachers in Skver when I was younger. Granted it wasn't life threatening, but they definitely aren't the safest of places and there should be a better solution than temporary bleachers.

I heard that Skver spent over a half a million dollars on the bleachers for their new shul and went above and beyond in regards to safety.

[yosefsv]

I was injured on bleachers in Skver when I was younger. Granted it wasn't life threatening, but they definitely aren't the safest of places and there should be a better solution than temporary bleachers.

Are you talking about in 1982? The bleachers today are no comparison to then.

[Euclid]

Are you talking about in 1982? The bleachers today are no comparison to then.

Yeah it's going back a couple decades. Curious - what have they changed?

My injury stemmed from climbing up the ladders.
Also, that top row was frightening - with no back and about a 2 story drop.

[yosefsv]

Curious - what have they changed?

It used to be all wood. All the braces etc. are now metal, and constructed with the advice of engineers.

My injury stemmed from climbing up the ladders.

On the higher bleachers you could only go up from the front.

Also, that top row was frightening - with no back and about a 2 story drop.

Interesting. its always with a back railing or at a wall.

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/YossiShtark/status/1395488617066373128

[Euclid]

It used to be all wood. All the braces etc. are now metal, and constructed with the advice of engineers.On the higher bleachers you could only go up from the front. Interesting. its always with a back railing or at a wall.

Ah very nice.

Yeah it had a back railing, but as a kid I wasn't tall enough for the railing. I Bh never fell off the top, but it was scary - especially with all the pushing...

[Yehuda57]

This whole no more bleachers or no more dancing on bleachers is pointless. They've been used for over half a century without any problems.

Want to have your bleachers inspected professionally before using? Sure. Want to only have it built by professionals going forward? Sure. But to stop using them altogether because of this story, when it is clear that this was a uniquely-shoddy construction? That sounds like something the TSA would do.

Even as someone who posted this in the aftermath to Meiron, I'm inclined to agree with you

Bleachers terrify me. Even at something as (relatively) small as the annual Kinus picture, I am terrified every time I see it. Who takes achrayus on them being able to hold hundreds, or thousands of people?

[lcm]

This whole no more bleachers or no more dancing on bleachers is pointless. They've been used for over half a century without any problems.

Want to have your bleachers inspected professionally before using? Sure. Want to only have it built by professionals going forward? Sure. But to stop using them altogether because of this story, when it is clear that this was a uniquely-shoddy construction? That sounds like something the TSA would do.

It could be perhaps understood as a coping mechanism

[yesitsme]

Gur that said they're removing them, never really had, the had some for the American guest but most were on the floor

[ari3]

I was injured on bleachers in Skver when I was younger. Granted it wasn't life threatening, but they definitely aren't the safest of places and there should be a better solution than temporary bleachers.

My injury stemmed from climbing up the ladders.
Also, that top row was frightening - with no back and about a 2 story drop.

Ah very nice.

Yeah it had a back railing, but as a kid I wasn't tall enough for the railing. I Bh never fell off the top, but it was scary - especially with all the pushing...

What started as an insinuation of an injury due to serious safety violations turned into bleachers without a back railing turned into a kid climbing where he had no business being and getting hurt.
Maybe it was your fault (or your parents) and not the bleachers? Is the car manufacturer liable for an accident caused by drunk driving?

[Euclid]

a kid climbing where he had no business being and getting hurt.

I was far from the only 10-11 year old up there. All the times I was there (probably 10-20) there were kids all over the bleachers, so seemed like SOP to have them there.

Anyways, I was only pushing back on the broad proclamation of "never any problems", and that there's definite room for improvement (which now seems like there's been over the ensuing years).

[CountValentine]

Is the car manufacturer liable for an accident caused by drunk driving?

No but if the tires are held on by wire ties then that is a different story.

[jj1000]

https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/karlin-tragedy-donate-now-help-families-affected-catastrophe/

[JlmBoi]

Bleachers terrify me. Even at something as (relatively) small as the annual Kinus picture, I am terrified every time I see it. Who takes achrayus on them being able to hold hundreds, or thousands of people?

If done correctly, the same principles of engineering that keep a building from collapsing. Just because it looks scary doesnt make it precarious is any way, provided it's done correctly.

[yesitsme]

I took off my covid badge since covid is BH over, from now till further notice im a structural engineer and BTW they can close the investigation because we have here all the info from all angels.

But other then the negativity that goes on here there is also a bright side of עמו אנוכי בצרה there is so much chesed going on, its truly inspiring.

[ari3]

No but if the tires are held on by wire ties then that is a different story.

Please don't take my words out of context. I wasn't addressing what happened this week I was addressing an accusation of safety violations that allegedly took place decades ago.

[yesitsme]

https://www.dansdeals.com/advertisement/karlin-tragedy-donate-now-help-families-affected-catastrophe/

Nice to see that @ DH Data Recovery is still active on dans deals

[Euclid]

I was addressing an accusation of safety violations that allegedly took place decades ago.

Ugh I see what I did. I shouldn't have mentioned where this happened to me...I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of safety protocol violations - I have no idea what safety protocols are, nor what should they be. All I was trying to say was:

Anyways, I was only pushing back on the broad proclamation of "never any problems", and that there's definite room for improvement (which now seems like there's been over the ensuing years).

[CountValentine]

I took off my covid badge since covid is BH over, from now till further notice im a structural engineer and BTW they can close the investigation because we have here all the info from all angels.

You don't need to be a structural engineer to know not to use wire ties. Just as you don't need to be a doctor to know not to drink bleach.