BDE Jackie Mason

[aygart]

Why does it have to be that people need to start attacking someone any time he tries to take a lesson out of something? That is an example of ליצנות אחת דוחה מאה תוכחות. (Also a difference between the cases in the gemara and most comedians)

[Jellybelly]

So when someone still has the ability to make changes, we keep quiet about his choices, but when he's no longer in a position to make changes and is facing Beis Din Shel Ma'alah, we point out what he could have done differently? The Soton needs assistant lawyers? Can't handle the case on his own? Al tiftach peh...

The reason to bring it up, is only to change those that still have the ability to change, and nothing to do with Jackie mason and his Din in shamayim.

[jj1000]

Why does it have to be that people need to start attacking someone any time he tries to take a lesson out of something? That is an example of ליצנות אחת דוחה מאה תוכחות. (Also a difference between the cases in the gemara and most comedians)

Because often the lesson makes assumptions or implies assumptions that they don't agree with.

Or they feel it's the wrong time or place for it.

[TimT]

What’s his father’s name ? Mishnayos would certainly benefit him now.

[Lurker]

What’s his father’s name ? Mishnayos would certainly benefit him now.

R' Yaakov Moshe ben R' Eliyahu Mordechai HaKohen

[Toasted]

Why does it have to be that people need to start attacking someone any time he tries to .........

Most here are from a certain religion 😂.

[zh cohen]

What’s his father’s name ? Mishnayos would certainly benefit him now.

יעקב משה בן אלי' מרדכי הכהן

[Shmulie]

What’s his father’s name ? Mishnayos would certainly benefit him now.

https://www.geni.com/people/Jackie-Mason/6000000002962650446

[AsherO]

I may be wrong for thinking like this, but it was a very real emotion that I had, and it was his din, as it made me envision mine. You can tell me to mind my own business, or to keep my personal thoughts off a public forum, and you may be right.

I thought that others can channel the feelings I had, even though they are not the most flattering for JM, but they can still be a zechus for him.

Perhaps it boils down to hashkafic differences, idk. I appreciate your emotions, I don’t appreciate what they imply about JM, I have know idea how he’s seen in heaven, but I wish his Neshama a lichtige Gan Eden all the same, like I’d wish for every Neshamah.

[AsherO]

Why does it have to be that people need to start attacking someone any time he tries to take a lesson out of something? That is an example of ליצנות אחת דוחה מאה תוכחות. (Also a difference between the cases in the gemara and most comedians)

Are you referring to my response as an attack? I respectfully disagreed with an approach, no attack intended.

[AsherO]

Most here are from a certain religion 😂.

Close, but no shtender

[gozalim]

If this is how the Rebbe treated him in life, when he could still choose to make changes in his life,

on that note, see the 1st portion of this https://videos.jem.tv/video-player?produced=895

[TimT]

Maybe someone could say Kaddish for him. No son

[neveryou]

Maybe someone could say Kaddish for him. No son

Ask kaplinsky

[hvaces42]

Why?

He was a nusmach of MTJ does not equate with getting semicha from Rav Moshe.

[aygart]

Perhaps it boils down to hashkafic differences, idk. I appreciate your emotions, I don’t appreciate what they imply about JM, I have know idea how he’s seen in heaven, but I wish his Neshama a lichtige Gan Eden all the same, like I’d wish for every Neshamah.

He spoke nothing of a final judgement. The din mentioned is a very obvious one regardless of whether there were adequate mitigating circumstances or any other factors that may affect the outcome.

[AsherO]

He spoke nothing of a final judgement. The din mentioned is a very obvious one regardless of whether there were adequate mitigating circumstances or any other factors that may affect the outcome.

Really now?

Picture the scene yesterday, when his soul ascended and he stood before the heavenly Court. Imagine the crushing realization of the contrast between his potential and his chosen life.

[aygart]

Really now?

Yes

[TimT]

Ask kaplinsky

Who’s that ?

[Yehuda57]

I heard once from R' Yossi Paltiel, and I'm pretty sure he was quoting, though I don't remember who:

We all know the humorous expression "אחרי מות קדושים אמור", After someone dies, we say they were good. But it's not just that we are being kind and sensitive by fudging the truth or focusing on the good and ignoring the opposite, it's that now the neshama is in olam haemes, and in truth every soul is pure and good. Any negativity is from alma d'shikra, which is not a true reflection of the soul.

That's not to say you have to take something not good and say it's good, and I'm not taking a position in this discussion, just providing a perspective I found interesting.

Also, what we say about someone after their passing does have an affect on their soul and its din. This is part of why Chabad minhag is not to give hespedim. We are also concise in our language on the matzeivah.