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Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« on: November 16, 2022, 10:50:51 AM »
Hi, everyone.
I have a free of charge gemach helping people buy computers (advice on both what to buy and where to find the best price) going on 15 years now. Although I deal with 50-100 people a year, I still don't have enough experience in some narrow use-cases. Also, it is often hard to get information on brand-new hardware.
I have a specific question that I have been trying to get real-world data on. If any member can provide their experiences, I would be grateful (as would the people I offer advice to). Reviews from the computer magazines have been almost universal in their claim that Intel 12th gen processors A: run hot, and therefore throttle quicker, particularly on the P, H and HX suffixes - AND B: achieve greater power over their AMD rivals but at the cost of battery life. Mind, no writer has emphasized this - but reviews I read almost always check these boxes.
If anyone owns a laptop with 12th gen Intel processors, can they post regarding their real-world battery life and if their laptops seem to run hot?
Much appreciated.

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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2022, 07:49:23 PM »
Your specifically referring to laptop processors?
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2022, 12:00:27 AM »
Hi, everyone.
I have a free of charge gemach helping people buy computers (advice on both what to buy and where to find the best price) going on 15 years now.
PS Laptop purchase advice available, obviously, though it seems like Dansdeals members have you covered already. PM me.
Nice. Any other way to contact you for help? (I dont have a 12 gen intel, sorry)

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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2022, 09:18:21 AM »
Your specifically referring to laptop processors?

Yes. The reports from the desktop arena complain only about electricity use. Either way, I don't specialize in that area.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2022, 09:12:26 AM »
So no one has responded to this.
Yet the correlation I had observed continues. I am surprised that the tech journalists have not come to the same conclusion I did: namely, that manufacturers severely underestimated the cooling needs for the Intel 12th gen.
This article was published today, and it contains a collection of tested 12th gen laptop results. These results support my thesis.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/cpu-confusion-made-buying-a-laptop-in-2022-a-nightmare/
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2022, 09:24:01 AM »
So no one has responded to this.
Sometimes on DDF it works better to post on an existing thread where the people who have notifications turened on for that thread might be able to help you, rather than starting a new thread and hoping that someoene who sees it will help you. In this case, I'd say that even if it's not 100% the same topic, I'd post here, here or here and one of DDF's techies may respond.

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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2022, 09:30:35 AM »
Sometimes on DDF it works better to post on an existing thread where the people who have notifications turened on for that thread might be able to help you, rather than starting a new thread and hoping that someoene who sees it will help you. In this case, I'd say that even if it's not 100% the same topic, I'd post here, here or here and one of DDF's techies may respond.
Good point. Thanks!
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2022, 09:38:29 AM »
Sometimes on DDF it works better to post on an existing thread where the people who have notifications turened on for that thread might be able to help you, rather than starting a new thread and hoping that someoene who sees it will help you. In this case, I'd say that even if it's not 100% the same topic, I'd post here, here or here and one of DDF's techies may respond.

Maybe link to this topic so the discussion of this specific issue stays here?
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2022, 09:42:58 AM »
I recently bought an LG Gram on a whopper deal at the time from Costco. It was shortly before the 12th gen processors were released and at first I thought perhaps I shouldíve waited.

But like you said, the 12th gens reportedly run hotter and have shorter battery lives. The way Iím using my 11th gen Gram I donít have any performance issues, I find it to be zippy and efficient and the battery life is amazing. So while I donít have any extensive data, Iíd say someone whoís on a budget who wonít be using their laptop for anything processor-intensive should be okay with an 11th gen.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2022, 10:06:25 AM »
I recently bought an LG Gram on a whopper deal at the time from Costco. It was shortly before the 12th gen processors were released and at first I thought perhaps I shouldíve waited.

But like you said, the 12th gens reportedly run hotter and have shorter battery lives. The way Iím using my 11th gen Gram I donít have any performance issues, I find it to be zippy and efficient and the battery life is amazing. So while I donít have any extensive data, Iíd say someone whoís on a budget who wonít be using their laptop for anything processor-intensive should be okay with an 11th gen.
Yup, bought the same piece and love it.

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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2022, 10:14:20 AM »
I recently bought an LG Gram on a whopper deal at the time from Costco. It was shortly before the 12th gen processors were released and at first I thought perhaps I shouldíve waited.

But like you said, the 12th gens reportedly run hotter and have shorter battery lives. The way Iím using my 11th gen Gram I donít have any performance issues, I find it to be zippy and efficient and the battery life is amazing. So while I donít have any extensive data, Iíd say someone whoís on a budget who wonít be using their laptop for anything processor-intensive should be okay with an 11th gen.
The Gram is an excellent computer with 11th gen. Facts as they are, 12th gen doesn't make for a convincing buy.
I've been telling anyone without weird use-cases to buy 11th gen. It isn't like there is anything wrong with them... And for luxury buyers, anything with an Evo rating should be great.
Agav, I was unable to talk one fellow out of buying a Gram with a 12th gen processor. I'm still waiting for feedback from him. We'll see...
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2022, 10:16:30 AM »
The Gram is an excellent computer with 11th gen. Facts as they are, 12th gen doesn't make for a convincing buy.
I've been telling anyone without weird use-cases to buy 11th gen. It isn't like there is anything wrong with them... And for luxury buyers, anything with an Evo rating should be great.
Agav, I was unable to talk one fellow out of buying a Gram with a 12th gen processor. I'm still waiting for feedback from him. We'll see...

The Gram is likely a powerhouse with 12th gen as well, albeit with the shortcomings we discussed. Idk about 12th gen, but the 11th Gen has dismal speakers, one of my main gripes with the laptop. That and LG ďdriversĒ bloatware thatís annoying and buggy.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2022, 11:08:57 AM »
The Gram is likely a powerhouse with 12th gen as well, albeit with the shortcomings we discussed. Idk about 12th gen, but the 11th Gen has dismal speakers, one of my main gripes with the laptop. That and LG ďdriversĒ bloatware thatís annoying and buggy.
It may be a powerhouse, but the use case will either be not needed (but you get the shortcomings anyway) or not enough (because it doesn't provide enough juice for serious tasks). People who need to max out a low-power processor usually bought the wrong computer.
Speaking from scanning several laptop reviews every day, it seems rare that reviewers like any laptop speakers. You do get decent ones on occasion, but the reviewers usually advise using headphones... Have you owned a laptop with decent speakers before?
EDIT- Though reviewers love to complain and are exposed to $5000 laptops too, so sodium-chloride added.
If the bloatware is advertised as being fundamentally needed for the laptop (ie "Don't you dare uninstall this important drivers update program"), that is a real issue.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2022, 12:25:06 PM »
It may be a powerhouse, but the use case will either be not needed (but you get the shortcomings anyway) or not enough (because it doesn't provide enough juice for serious tasks). People who need to max out a low-power processor usually bought the wrong computer.
Speaking from scanning several laptop reviews every day, it seems rare that reviewers like any laptop speakers. You do get decent ones on occasion, but the reviewers usually advise using headphones... Have you owned a laptop with decent speakers before?
EDIT- Though reviewers love to complain and are exposed to $5000 laptops too, so sodium-chloride added.
If the bloatware is advertised as being fundamentally needed for the laptop (ie "Don't you dare uninstall this important drivers update program"), that is a real issue.

All my laptops so far had better speakers for their day:
Dell Latitude L100? (Donít remember, it was ancient)
Dell 700m
Dell 1330m
Sony Z 13
LG Gram 15

Itís pretty bad if you canít watch a video and canít make out all words being spoken unless the volume is turned way up.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2022, 01:52:52 PM »
Itís pretty bad if you canít watch a video and canít make out all words being spoken unless the volume is turned way up.
That is pretty bad.
My list is as follows:
Some Vostro, the first ever one with the name - okay speakers for loudness but distorted without headphones
Asus netbook - weak
Asus UJ43 - strong but only when it was on a hard surface (had interesting down-pointed speakers)
Lenovo Flex3 - don't ask
Asus Zenbook UX430UA - weak
Acer Aspire 7 A715-52G - loud enough, barely, but not if there is background noise
Asus Zephyrus GA502IU - Excellent and loud
Acer Swift X - very not loud enough
Samsung Galaxy Book2 Pro - Excellent in every way, much clearer than the Zephyrus but doesn't go as loud.

So I stopped taking good sound for granted and appreciate it when I get it.
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2022, 02:10:47 PM »
Any insights on Microsoft Surface Pro as a laptop replacement?
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2022, 02:19:37 PM »
Any insights on Microsoft Surface Pro as a laptop replacement?
I love mine but it depends on your use case
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2022, 02:53:08 PM »
I love mine but it depends on your use case

Which version?
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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2022, 03:50:43 PM »
Which version?
Surface Pro 7 i5 128GB 8gb RAM
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Re: Intel 12th gen laptop processors
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2022, 08:47:45 PM »
I recently bought an LG Gram on a whopper deal at the time from Costco. It was shortly before the 12th gen processors were released and at first I thought perhaps I shouldíve waited.

But like you said, the 12th gens reportedly run hotter and have shorter battery lives. The way Iím using my 11th gen Gram I donít have any performance issues, I find it to be zippy and efficient and the battery life is amazing. So while I donít have any extensive data, Iíd say someone whoís on a budget who wonít be using their laptop for anything processor-intensive should be okay with an 11th gen.
There was a good deal on the LG Gram with 12 gen i7. But looking at the reviews it seemed to run hot, so I passed.