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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2023, 08:14:42 PM »
And for those practical reasons they are kept entirely separate in my house. Everyone eats as much Matzo as they want. When everyone is done with it, it is put away (and if needed, plastic tablecloth replaced), and then other food is served. Nothing goes back into the kitchen once it came out to the table.
Do you make separate brachos on the rest of the food? How do you deal with siliek yado min hapas?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2023, 08:52:00 PM »
Do you make separate brachos on the rest of the food? How do you deal with siliek yado min hapas?
It's all one seuda, similar to any time you physically finish eating bread but are still eating whatever else there is.

ועכשיו שאין מסלקין השלחן אחר הסעודה קודם ברכת המזון אין לנו סילוק הפת בסתם עד ברכת המזון

כל מה שאוכלין ושותין על השלחן שאכלו עליו הפת סעודה אחת היא עם הפת ולכן נפטרים בברכותיה אע"פ שסילקו דעתם ממנה לגמרי

The minhag of the Rebbe is actually to eat a bit of matza at the end of the seuda

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2023, 08:58:08 PM »
It's all one seuda, similar to any time you physically finish eating bread but are still eating whatever else there is.

ועכשיו שאין מסלקין השלחן אחר הסעודה קודם ברכת המזון אין לנו סילוק הפת בסתם עד ברכת המזון

כל מה שאוכלין ושותין על השלחן שאכלו עליו הפת סעודה אחת היא עם הפת ולכן נפטרים בברכותיה אע"פ שסילקו דעתם ממנה לגמרי

The minhag of the Rebbe is actually to eat a bit of matza at the end of the seuda
This is different then regular as you are b'davka being mesalek the pas.
Also, here it wasn't even eaten at all with the pas.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2023, 09:39:53 PM »
This is different then regular as you are b'davka being mesalek the pas.
Also, here it wasn't even eaten at all with the pas.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2023, 10:27:34 PM »
The truth is that i don't really need any Gebrochts things. But 2 things are nice:
1) Not having to worry about crumbs is a nice +
2) Being able to make Kiddish after davening without washing is also a nice +
I have the same without eating gebrokts. ;)

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2023, 12:45:50 AM »
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2023, 12:47:46 AM »
2) Being able to make Kiddish after davening without washing is also a nice +

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2023, 12:55:01 AM »
whats this gebrokst thing all about, wasn't it created when they were all eating laffas, today we are stuck with cruchy crackers + non gebrokst, one of the two would make more sense IMHO

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2023, 12:57:04 AM »
whats this gebrokst thing all about, wasn't it created when they were all eating laffas, today we are stuck with cruchy crackers + non gebrokst, one of the two would make more sense IMHO
well the two have nothing to do with each other. Actually gebrokts (at least the matzah/cake meal issue) has a source in the gemara/ tur. See chochmas Shlomo O"C 463:3

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2023, 01:00:05 AM »
well the two have nothing to do with each other. Actually gebrokts (at least the matzah/cake meal issue) has a source in the gemara

Isn’t his point that when the gzerah made in the Gemara was recorded they were discussing a different form of Matzah more similar to a laffah?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2023, 01:00:15 AM »
whats this gebrokst thing all about, wasn't it created when they were all eating laffas
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2023, 01:00:42 AM »
Isn’t his point that when the gzerah made in the Gemara was recorded they were discussing a different form of Matzah more similar to a laffah?
Which gzeira?

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2023, 01:01:42 AM »
whats this gebrokst thing all about, wasn't it created when they were all eating laffas, today we are stuck with cruchy crackers + non gebrokst, one of the two would make more sense IMHO
with “crackers” it’s more of an issue as there is less water and the flour sometimes does not get properly mixed. Which creates a risk if water touches the unmixed flour.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2023, 01:03:12 AM »
Isn’t his point that when the gzerah made in the Gemara was recorded they were discussing a different form of Matzah more similar to a laffah?
the gemara discusses ground matzah. Do t know what form it was but there was definitely a concept of rikikei matzos bzman hatalmud.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2023, 01:04:19 AM »
Which gzeira?

Gebroks. I used the term gzeira loosely.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2023, 01:05:35 AM »
the gemara discusses ground matzah. Do t know what form it was but there was definitely a concept of rikikei matzos bzman hatalmud.

A concept perhaps, but what were they actually eating? Hillel’s sandwich was definitely a Laffah. You can’t quite be כרוך a cracker.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2023, 01:07:42 AM »
A concept perhaps, but what were they actually eating? Hillel’s sandwich was definitely a Laffah. You can’t quite be כרוך a cracker.
they were grinding it up. Have you ever tried grinding a lafa?

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2023, 01:08:57 AM »
they were grinding it up. Have you ever tried grinding a lafa?

Bake it extra until it’s crumbly?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2023, 01:09:33 AM »
Bake it extra until it’s crumbly?
and how will you do koirech? I guess toast after your done with koirech

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2023, 01:09:37 AM »
Gebroks. I used the term gzeira loosely.
Don’t think anyone understands gebroks to be a Talmudic din.