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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5200 on: November 05, 2023, 08:03:34 AM »
NYT reporter resigns over policy towards covering war in Gaza
Jasmine Hughes, who worked for the Times, claims that the paper's policy is overly biased in favor of Israel.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379711

Hmm...
Just in case you weren't clear enough about what the terror supporters really want.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5201 on: November 05, 2023, 08:04:21 AM »
Letís say terrorists barricaded themselves with the hostages in a building and were using the building as a launching site. Would it be ok to bomb the building, or should they be given immunity?
The laws of proportionality would allow that. Pretty sure halachah won't. (ETA: after reading the next post, I defer to Rabbi Breitowitz) But it's a great point because it illustrates that proportionality might be a good enough reason, but you can still feel for children who don't even know what they're dying for.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5202 on: November 05, 2023, 08:04:34 AM »
Letís say terrorists barricaded themselves with the hostages in a building and were using the building as a launching site. Would it be ok to bomb the building, or should they be given immunity?
According to the Halacha Headlines shiur a few weeks ago, it would be 100% muttur to bomb the building (during wartime). IIRC it was Rabbi Breitowitz being interviewed. But I don't remember who he was quoting. It hurts and I'm most/all of the families wouldn't be happy. But end of the day, you need to do what you need to do to make sure you are successful at the overall goal of preventing Oct 7th from happening again.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5204 on: November 05, 2023, 08:15:43 AM »
That will allow it to show in unread posts even after I read it, but not in new replies.

I guess thereís no way then. Since itís specifically designed for replies.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5205 on: November 05, 2023, 08:32:48 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5206 on: November 05, 2023, 08:36:22 AM »
According to the Halacha Headlines shiur a few weeks ago, it would be 100% muttur to bomb the building (during wartime). IIRC it was Rabbi Breitowitz being interviewed. But I don't remember who he was quoting. It hurts and I'm most/all of the families wouldn't be happy. But end of the day, you need to do what you need to do to make sure you are successful at the overall goal of preventing Oct 7th from happening again.
What was the reason?
מאי חזית דדמא דידך סמיק טפי?

ETA just listened, he did not have a source for this.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5207 on: November 05, 2023, 08:49:14 AM »
2500 targets that are mostly buildings or tunnels under buildings. We are all going to pretend we have absolutely no idea how many civilians have been killed.

IDF: More than 2,500 targets struck in Gaza since beginning of ground operation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-more-than-2-500-targets-struck-in-gaza-since-beginning-of-ground-operation/ar-AA1jpd22?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=1e4dfe627cd142e5a59b5843f5ccbb35&ei=6
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5209 on: November 05, 2023, 08:54:50 AM »
https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1721156427283054831
And letís not forget the amount of swastikas at these ďmostly peacefulĒ protests.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5210 on: November 05, 2023, 08:58:08 AM »
What was the reason?
מאי חזית דדמא דידך סמיק טפי?

ETA just listened, he did not have a source for this.
This mechaber wants to say war is different and to say otherwise would lead to an absurd and impossible outcome, but Rav Chaim was apparently unsure.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5212 on: November 05, 2023, 09:15:16 AM »
You are highly sensitive when the discussion here surrounds civilian children casualties. I commend you for that.
Why would you or anyone else commend me for that?
Should I commend you or anyone else here for speaking up for the babies that were slaughter?
How about I commend you for being sensitive to 1400 Israeli civilians being slaughter.   
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5213 on: November 05, 2023, 09:31:00 AM »
Children arenít innocent?

What I am saying is that there are cases where even you would agree that they arenít. For example if an 8 year old kid goes on a killing spree with a gun. There are many scenarios that are between a plain innocent child and that case. We may disagree on some of those cases.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5214 on: November 05, 2023, 09:34:04 AM »
Dear CV,
on one hand you keep on insisting that Israel release their numbers (which of course would sadly include real civilian and innocent children casualties), and you are also insisting that they up their PR game... aren't those two requests contradictory?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5216 on: November 05, 2023, 09:36:10 AM »
Dear CV,
on one hand you keep on insisting that Israel release their numbers (which of course would sadly include real civilian and innocent children casualties), and you are also insisting that they up their PR game... aren't those two requests contradictory?
Unlike the other side their PR game will have way more credibility. There is fake PR and there is real PR.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5217 on: November 05, 2023, 09:36:18 AM »
Why would you or anyone else commend me for that?

Notice how I left out the word Ďinnocentí. You are sensitive when discussing the children casualties regardless if they are innocent or not. Although I commend your sensitivity for that, I still disagree.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5218 on: November 05, 2023, 09:47:44 AM »
This mechaber wants to say war is different and to say otherwise would lead to an absurd and impossible outcome, but Rav Chaim was apparently unsure.
His case is much more drastic, also there the hostages are literally on their way to be killed

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5219 on: November 05, 2023, 09:54:08 AM »
His case is much more drastic, also there the hostages are literally on their way to be killed
Yes, but his reasoning in אות ב׳ is very much the same. He just picks an extreme case to illustrate the problem.