Law School

[CS1]

Maybe having him read this isn't the worst idea.

was thinking about that... Just to keep it open-minded... His friends are on here. Hopefully the next 3-4 weeks will give them a chance to think it through calmly with less rush. They felt pressure to decide NY vs. GA by May 31, so it was easier to just stay in NY. (NOT the real way to make a 50 yr decision.)

But this deferring option can be smart. It was another $770 deposit to extend GA, plus $650 for NY, so hopefully the extra timing is helpful. I know an interpersonal mediator who is also a lawyer, perhaps he'll have some experience and insight for them.

[Aaaron]

ok. He has a friend who has gov't law and he can lives anywhere and work remotely.
he'll do his HW. That's who he is. But still the main question: especially because they like to live OUT of NY after next year,
is deferring to Emory for 2017 vs. NY in 2016 going to slow him down or be a waste of his time?

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but to defer a year is a mistake, IMO.  Or, at the very least, get a one year MA during that year.

[CS1]

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but to defer a year is a mistake, IMO.  Or, at the very least, get a one year MA during that year.

sounds interesting -- and he can work with student loans in 2016. Which MA in NY program do you recommend for pre-law? (He has a very good math/science head.)

[Aaaron]

Maybe an MPH or MA in Public Policy.  Another option is to begin a more intense MA that he can then transfer to Emory for a joint degree.  I know people doing will with an MPH/JD.

The issue is going to be that it's too late to apply to most programs.

[GTR]

Plenty EJB.  See the helpful graph Hench posted.  What he didn't explain is that the sum of the %'s between 60 and 180 is greater than the 60 itself.  Not all or nothing, indeed as the graph shows a mean around 80.

[churnbabychurn]

The answer to all things law-school related, is not "42."  It is this graph:



See how there are lots of jobs that pay 160 (as of Monday, 180), and lots of jobs that pay 45-60, but very few jobs that pay anything in between?

Going to a slightly lower school doesn't equate to a slightly lower salary.  It is binary--you either make 180 or you make 60.

Looks like there is something wrong with this industry based on this graph.

[AJK]

I can't believe this is even (still?) a discussion.

The wife doesn't want to leave during shana rishona because she wants to be near her sister? And for that, she's going to forestall her new husband's career aspirations for a year? Or perhaps permanently by choosing Cardozo over Emory? Frankly, if this girl needs to be persuaded that staying in NY is the wrong decision, there are bigger issues at play. 

[henche]

Looks like there is something wrong with this industry based on this graph.

NY to 180!!

[12HRS]

I can't believe this is even (still?) a discussion.

The wife doesn't want to leave during shana rishona because she wants to be near her sister? And for that, she's going to forestall her new husband's career aspirations for a year? Or perhaps permanently by choosing Cardozo over Emory? Frankly, if this girl needs to be persuaded that staying in NY is the wrong decision, there are bigger issues at play. 

maybe she finds it romantic

(sarcasm based on other threads)

[Aaaron]

I can't believe this is even (still?) a discussion.

The wife doesn't want to leave during shana rishona because she wants to be near her sister? And for that, she's going to forestall her new husband's career aspirations for a year? Or perhaps permanently by choosing Cardozo over Emory? Frankly, if this girl needs to be persuaded that staying in NY is the wrong decision, there are bigger issues at play.

We're dealing with a presumably 19-21 year old newly-wed.  Not sure why you're surprised. 

[henche]

I can't believe this is even (still?) a discussion.

The wife doesn't want to leave during shana rishona because she wants to be near her sister? And for that, she's going to forestall her new husband's career aspirations for a year? Or perhaps permanently by choosing Cardozo over Emory? Frankly, if this girl needs to be persuaded that staying in NY is the wrong decision, there are bigger issues at play.

I agree conceptually, but there are presumably backstories. The guy is 22, and I guess wife is like 19. So they're both kids--in our community we get married as kids.

Suppose she never had a hava mina he wasn't going to get into fordham and they'd stay in NY for the next 3 years. And suddenly, a few weeks after married, he's like ok let's move to georgia. That's a hard thing for a newlywed 19 year old.

I'm sympathetic, and I don't think either one is being an idiot, or is not being age-appropriate.

But the right answer is Emory, and ok to wait a year or two, and if he works in the interim, it'll even help his employment prospects coming out of school.

[AJK]

We're dealing with a presumably 19-21 year old newly-wed.  Not sure why you're surprised.

If you're old enough to get married, you should be old enough to make mature decisions.

In any event, this isn't about them (prelaw guy and his wife) making the right decision so much as having the people from whom they're seeking advice (CS1) to supply the correct advice.

Sometimes children who are getting married need a little sense talked into them; this appears to be one such time.

I agree conceptually, but there are presumably backstories. The guy is 22, and I guess wife is like 19. So they're both kids--in our community we get married as kids.

Suppose she never had a hava mina he wasn't going to get into fordham and they'd stay in NY for the next 3 years. And suddenly, a few weeks after married, he's like ok let's move to georgia. That's a hard thing for a newlywed 19 year old.

I'm sympathetic, and I don't think either one is being an idiot, or is not being age-appropriate.

But the right answer is Emory, and ok to wait a year or two, and if he works in the interim, it'll even help his employment prospects coming out of school.

There are always backstories. Everyone's life is different, but as presented, there is only one answer, and it's been lobbed back and forth without resolution for like 5 pages now.

Emory > Cardozo and only defer if he can guarantee himself a paralegal job at an AM Law 100 firm. Otherwise, start packing.

[CS91]

Suppose she never had a hava mina he wasn't going to get into fordham and they'd stay in NY for the next 3 years. And suddenly, a few weeks after married, he's like ok let's move to georgia. That's a hard thing for a newlywed 19 year old.

Anyone who thinks anything about the whole LSAT, law school application, OCI process is a shoo-in is just being foolish. Plus, the issue is that many people in today's ago plan their entire life when they're in high school and don't realize that everything doesn't always go as planned and that life will throw you curveballs.

[henche]

If you're old enough to get married, you should be old enough to make mature decisions.

I agree. But most of our community does not agree.

[CS1]

Sometimes children who are getting married need a little sense talked into them; this appears to be one such time.
There are always backstories. Everyone's life is different, but as presented, there is only one answer, and it's been lobbed back and forth without resolution for like 5 pages now.

Emory > Cardozo and only defer if he can guarantee himself a paralegal job at an AM Law 100 firm. Otherwise, start packing.

thank you AJK. Very helpful coming from experienced professionals. We think this way too, and we are balancing our thoughts about interfering vs. providing real-life options.

Would this paralegal AM Law 100 Firm job ideally be in NY in 2016 and then Emory in 2017?

[AJK]

If Emory simply cannot be an option for 2016, then, yes, paralegal in NY 2016 then Emory 2017.

[shiframeir]

If Emory simply cannot be an option for 2016, then, yes, paralegal in NY 2016 then Emory 2017.

what i said at the start

as an aside, i lol'd when i read this:
“With [Monday’s] announcement some big law firms demonstrate that they do not listen to what their clients have been saying over the past decade about the price of legal services,” said Kelley Drye & Warren chair James Carr, who assumed leadership of his firm last year. “While we continue to monitor the compensation market, in our view, sophisticated purchasers realize that they can obtain equal or better legal services at Kelley Drye for a fraction of the cost.”
Read more: http://www.law.com/sites/almstaff/2016/06/07/associate-salary-bumps-trickle-in-but-they-arent-for-everyone/#ixzz4B1DD6y9E

[AJK]

Yep, but they're not wrong... for themselves. If your PPP and RPL is through the roof, that $20-30K it won't make a difference. For a place like Kelley Drye, it would.

[AJK]

QE matches.

[shiframeir]

Yep, but they're not wrong... for themselves. If your PPP and RPL is through the roof, that $20-30K it won't make a difference. For a place like Kelley Drye, it would.

But is any client stupid enough to see through this when they see the bi-annual billing rate raises Kelley Drye puts out just like evry other law firm? If they dont raise associate salary, the KD partners will get more, but the associates doing the clients work will be annoyed and looking elsewhere/less focused and disgruntled.