Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem

[Denverite]

They still can distinguish between them so that doesn't mean anything, but you may be right.

More likely that people booking getaways  want both Thu&Fri  so they don't want one night point stays preventing 2-night revenue bookings.  Same reason that Pesach has a 5 night min even for revenue bookings. They don't want you booking one night of Chol HaMoed and then they don't have space for the people paying 6k pp for their Pesach "Program" (rate they offered for Room & board last Pesach).

[benjie1305]

More likely that people booking getaways  want both Thu&Fri  so they don't want one night point stays preventing 2-night revenue bookings.  Same reason that Pesach has a 5 night min even for revenue bookings. They don't want you booking one night of Chol HaMoed and then they don't have space for the people paying 6k pp for their Pesach "Program" (rate they offered for Room & board last Pesach).

I was able to get a full points booking for this Pesach for a single night. Happens to be that pretty much all of this Pesach was available for point bookings.

[Denverite]

I was able to get a full points booking for this Pesach for a single night. Happens to be that pretty much all of this Pesach was available for point bookings.

I also got all of Next Pesach on points (except for some nights in a 2nd room that I've now reserved with revenue to be safe) but now 2017 Pesach is all blocked except for 5+ Night revenue stays.  Maybe if they don't fill up with group and longer bookings they'll open it up for shorter and standard point stays.

[mochjas]

They are trying to get the best of both worlds: they want to be part of a chain so they get more customers. But they don't want to give out free nights with points to customers who are loyal to their chain and only stay at their chain for that reason.

Pick a side Waldorf!

[Denverite]

They are trying to get the best of both worlds: they want to be part of a chain so they get more customers. But they don't want to give out free nights with points to customers who are loyal to their chain and only stay at their chain for that reason.

Pick a side Waldorf!

You tell 'em bro!    Honestly though, are they getting more revenue nights from the chain or just getting killed by all the redemptions?  I hope they are able to find a redemption system that is economically feasible for them (even if it's more restrictive than I'd like) and don't pick the side that says leave the chain...

[mb1]

You tell 'em bro!    Honestly though, are they getting more revenue nights from the chain or just getting killed by all the redemptions?  I hope they are able to find a redemption system that is economically feasible for them (even if it's more restrictive than I'd like) and don't pick the side that says leave the chain...

How could they be getting killed by the redemptions?
They are either full and get ADR or not full and get a nominal fee for a room that would have otherwise been vacant.

[Denverite]

How could they be getting killed by the redemptions?
They are either full and get ADR or not full and get a nominal fee for a room that would have otherwise been vacant.

If Non-Adr rate doesn't cover marginal costs and if redemption clients spend significantly less on F&B, etc. than a normal booking during peak times.  Sleeping rooms are only one of the many revenue streams of hotels and they should be maximizing the revenue for other streams (i.e. Enabling highly profitable weddings,  meetings, conferences and here Shabbos/Yom Tov meals, which are the self-pay equivalent  a wedding twice every Saturday).  They know their numbers.  If redemption clients were spending as much as regular clients they'd have no incentive to block rooms.

[mb1]

If Non-Adr rate doesn't cover marginal costs and if redemption clients spend significantly less on F&B, etc. than a normal booking during peak times.  Sleeping rooms are only one of the many revenue streams of hotels and they should be maximizing the revenue for other streams (i.e. Enabling highly profitable weddings,  meetings, conferences and here Shabbos/Yom Tov meals, which are the self-pay equivalent  a wedding twice every Saturday).  They know their numbers.  If redemption clients were spending as much as regular clients they'd have no incentive to block rooms.

That still doesn't explain how they can be getting killed by redemptions.
At the very most they are losing the cost difference between the nominal reimbursement and what it actually costs to clean the room.

[Denverite]

That still doesn't explain how they can be getting killed by redemptions.
At the very most they are losing the cost difference between the nominal reimbursement and what it actually costs to clean the room.

I don't how else to explain it.  They are losing the cost difference of what a normal client spends and a points clients spends ASIDE from the room.  During Shabbos and Yom Tov (which is when they are blocking the rooms) they are possibly losing the average $500 normal guests spend on meals (F&B revenue might be MORE than the room revenue pp).  I obviously don't have their revenue numbers but this would explain why they would rather have a normal client instead of a points client even if they are receiving the exact same amount for the room.

[cholent]

I don't how else to explain it.  They are losing the cost difference of what a normal client spends and a points clients spends ASIDE from the room.  During Shabbos and Yom Tov (which is when they are blocking the rooms) they are possibly losing the average $500 normal guests spend on meals (F&B revenue might be MORE than the room revenue pp).  I obviously don't have their revenue numbers but this would explain why they would rather have a normal client instead of a points client even if they are receiving the exact same amount for the room.

This only applies in a situation where they are at 100% occupancy and the room would reasonably have been booked by a paying guest instead of one staying on points. I have no idea, are they often completely booked?

[Dan]

Who says point guests spend less on F&B?
Maybe they spend more because they're not spending money on their room?

[cholent]

Who says point guests spend less on F&B?
Maybe they spend more because they're not spending money on their room?

Come on, the majority of the ddf chevra are not going to spend the same way as someone who obviously has no issue spending $500/night on a hotel

And speaking for myself - I'm not planning to spend much if anything when I stay there this summer bez'H. I'll be walking to friends and family for meals

[yochiek93]

Who says point guests spend less on F&B?
Maybe they spend more because they're not spending money on their room?

+1 I know I definitely will spend more when I don't pay for the room

[Dan]

Come on, the majority of the ddf chevra are not going to spend the same way as someone who obviously has no issue spending $500/night on a hotel

And speaking for myself - I'm not planning to spend much if anything when I stay there this summer bez'H. I'll be walking to friends and family for meals

I ate Friday night dinner and other dinners at the Waldorf and loved them. Not cheap, but an excellent value for what they gave. Kids free was a nice touch as well.

[EJB]

I ate Friday night dinner and other dinners at the Waldorf and loved them. Not cheap, but an excellent value for what they gave. Kids free was a nice touch as well.

+1. Though we don't pay for breakfast

[Matovu]

+1. Though we don't pay for breakfast

but the hotel gets full price for shabbos meals and restaurants... even though the Arrival +1 reimburses...

[Denverite]

Who says point guests spend less on F&B?
Maybe they spend more because they're not spending money on their room?

If points guests spent more then then they wouldn't be blocking standard rooms
During Sukkot when they are presumably getting their ADR.  I obviously have no idea what people spend but there is most definitely a revenue reason for the  way they are blocking standard rooms and I was just offering possible reason.  Hotels have revenue goals that include way more than just room income.

[Dan]

Don't attribute to intelligence what can also be attributed to incompetence.

[cholent]

Don't attribute to intelligence what can also be attributed to incompetence.

My new signature line

[ilherman]

Take it with a grain of salt but on of the frond desk manager's told me that even when hotel is not full they get reimbursed from Hilton at ADR.