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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 562377 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1060 on: May 22, 2014, 06:03:22 PM »
I heard they're coming out with a new vaccine for autism.
What would the side effect for that be? :P

ETA: Repost :P

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1061 on: May 22, 2014, 06:14:34 PM »
What would the side effect for that be? :P

ETA: Repost :P

lol blast it.  I never have any original ideas anymore.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1062 on: May 22, 2014, 06:54:11 PM »
This is really not a joke. My wife tells me that every second woman she talks to in town is either suspicious, sceptical or terrified of vaccines.
The fruit heads are winning, evidently its very easy to spread fear Rc'l!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1063 on: May 22, 2014, 09:56:24 PM »
This is really not a joke. My wife tells me that every second woman she talks to in town is either suspicious, sceptical or terrified of vaccines.
The fruit heads are winning, evidently its very easy to spread fear Rc'l!

Yup, the establishment needs to tone down its rhetoric and focus on convincing people.  And you convince people by being honest and straightforward with them.

Don't tell people "no-risk"; tell them there are risks, but it is way better than the alternative.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1064 on: May 22, 2014, 10:10:39 PM »
Yup, the establishment needs to tone down its rhetoric and focus on convincing people.  And you convince people by being honest and straightforward with them.

Don't tell people "no-risk"; tell them there are risks, but it is way better than the alternative.
Oh please, these ppl have been led to believe that autism and SIDS is directly attributed to vaccines.

There is no lack of disclosure about side effects of minor fever and extreme allergic reactions. Only a lawyer would blame the sane victims or the medical community instead of the insane perps, AKA fruits.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1065 on: May 22, 2014, 11:03:43 PM »
Oh please, these ppl have been led to believe that autism and SIDS is directly attributed to vaccines.

There is no lack of disclosure about side effects of minor fever and extreme allergic reactions. Only a lawyer would blame the sane victims or the medical community instead of the insane perps, AKA fruits.

Nu, so you explain it. 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1066 on: May 23, 2014, 02:09:50 PM »
Quote from: ThinkTwice link=topic=24137.msg822656#msg822656 =1400867861
Vaccines have no connection and  autism, it is a coincidence that autism is over 100 times as high in vaccinated children :P , it's a coincidence that un-vaxed kids rarely need a doctor :P
::)

What about the fact that before vaccines were around, people were dying left and right from polio and other fatal diseases? Were those kids also "rarely needing a doctor"?


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1067 on: May 23, 2014, 02:38:12 PM »


It's all about money, any small poor farmer can produce & sell butter to local neighbors, only the  BIG boys can be in  margarine business so you buy science to "prove" your "bobkes" & rip everyone of



lol

Only the BIG boys can make butter and distribute it en mass to supermarkets around the world.  And it is much more expensive than margarine too.

You think Kraft is afraid of competition from your bubby's butter churn?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1068 on: May 23, 2014, 02:44:01 PM »
I think I got it:

Vaccines are the leading cause of margarine.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1069 on: May 23, 2014, 02:45:49 PM »
Vaccines have no connection to autism, it is a coincidence that autism is over 100 times as high in vaccinated children :P , it's a coincidence that un-vaxed kids rarely need a doctor :P
source?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1070 on: May 23, 2014, 02:47:54 PM »
it's a coincidence that un-vaxed kids rarely need a doctor :P
Rarely NEED a doctor or their parents rarely TAKE them to a doctor?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1071 on: May 23, 2014, 02:49:54 PM »


It's all about money, any small poor farmer can produce & sell butter to local neighbors, only the  BIG boys can be in  margarine business so you buy science to "prove" your "bobkes" & rip everyone of


Maybe this is the answer then? :P

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1072 on: May 23, 2014, 02:59:46 PM »


Vaccines have no connection to autism, it is a coincidence that autism is over 100 times as high in vaccinated children :P , it's a coincidence that un-vaxed kids rarely need a doctor :P

Or not...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1073 on: May 23, 2014, 03:10:43 PM »
http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-2-2/  these sates experienced a drastic rise in polio after OPV

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm095980.htm#ManagingSideEffects

CDC from 1980 through 1999, 95% of polio in USA were caused by... live oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV).
why exactly are we discussing a vaccine which is no longer given? What are you trying to show anyhow, that it worked so well that the only way anyone got it was as a side effect?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1074 on: May 23, 2014, 03:20:37 PM »
http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-2-2/  these sates experienced a drastic rise in polio after OPV

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm095980.htm#ManagingSideEffects

CDC from 1980 through 1999, 95% of polio in USA were caused by... live oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV).

You do realize that putting a link to Fda.gov only makes you look good until someone clicks on it and sees that it is completely unrelated to the topic being discussed?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1075 on: May 23, 2014, 03:26:36 PM »
I agree with you

1.It's good to laugh sometimes.

2.They are not afraid of my bubby's butter, sliper or rolling pin

However 1,000 of bubbys all over make a dent. Why do you vote you need 1.000s or 1.000.000s to win , 1+1 & then some more = 1.000.000

where can uncle ScAm or bank get bigger bite, farmer swapping tub of butter for basket of tomatoes, or supermarket selling boxes  to card swiping customer

Call the bi-weekly conference call Date & time announced on 212-444-1900-6-4 talk to mothers who have a few vaxed & a few un-vaxed kids hear it 1st hand
Lemme guess, all the mothers have 'vaxed injured kids'?... ::)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1076 on: May 25, 2014, 11:42:46 AM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1077 on: May 30, 2014, 12:40:07 PM »
hat's the soundbite  i get from any sore loser  :P

We just did a survey in Brooklyn & Lakewood pediatricians who have  vaccinated  & unvaxed kids in their practice
rates of Asthma  Autism ADD ADHD Arthritis Allergies
Bronchitis 
Crohn's  Colitis CANCER
Diabetes
Eczema

On average  10 times higher with vaxed kids, this fact may make you angry but i can just laugh @ u

B"h i smelled the coffee b/4 it hit home
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Total BS.

Which doctors participated in this survey?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1078 on: May 30, 2014, 12:48:19 PM »
Sore loser claims the winner is angry :)

We just did a survey in Brooklyn & Lakewood pediatricians who have  vaccinated  & unvaxed kids in their practice

rates of
Asthma  Autism ADD ADHD Arthritis Allergies
Bronchitis 
Crohn's  Colitis Cancer
Diabetes
Eczema

On average  10 times higher with vaxed kids, this fact may make some pediatricians angry  >:(, but who cares

B"h i smelled the coffee b/4 it hit home
HAHAHAHAHA!!! As if any pro-vax doc would ever submit data like that to a BS study like that (if that data was real it would be submitted to a much bigger study and researched, not some loon looking for blood). I mean if it could get anymore unscientific i'd be surprised. But I'm glad to see your "sources" of information are consistently unscientific and inaccurate. Thank you for sharing and letting us know all your beliefs are built on unscientific data.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1079 on: May 30, 2014, 12:50:44 PM »
HAHAHAHAHA!!! As if any pro-vax doc would ever submit data like that to a BS study like that (if that data was real it would be submitted to a much bigger study and researched, not some loon looking for blood). I mean if it could get anymore unscientific i'd be surprised. But I'm glad to see your "sources" of information are consistently unscientific and inaccurate. Thank you for sharing and letting us know all your beliefs are built on unscientific data.
+1
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