Author Topic: Lakewood Shabbos rally (Read 154085 times)

More importantly, in Lakewood proper there are no yeshiva day schools or high schools that officially teach a more moderate version of Orthodox Judaism. The only thing that locals are offered is the most insular version of yeshivish Judaism, even if that is not how they practice at home. For a student who is not succeeding in the top tier yeshiva, there is no other option. It seems that this is another area of significant divide between leadership and layperson.

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Secondly, it’s time for an honest discussion about the viability of insularity in a giant community like Lakewood. The hardcore yeshiva people might be able to pull it off, but there are far too many people in the city who don’t buy into that lifestyle. Enforcing the more insular standard on everyone is basically begging people to rebel. For some, the rebellion is merely shirt color; for others it can be far more egregious. It’s unhealthy to enforce a lifestyle that makes so many – even people who diligently follow Halacha – into rebels. People need to be able to keep their legitimate brand of Judaism without feeling like they are black sheep. Maybe it would be helpful if the rabbinic leadership of the yeshiva community sanctioned a yeshivish non-BMG community with its own leaders and community standards. They would have still strict halachic standards like other yeshivish communities, just less strict in non-halachic norms. Most importantly, a more diverse school system should be established. I have a feeling that would be very helpful.

For those of you with reading comprehension issues, he is suggesting a MO community in Lakewood. He is calling it "Yeshivish non yeshivish community" - Lipstick on a pig

Not that this bozo's "opinion" matters, but at least understand what the dude is saying, laugh and move on.

Freddie · « **Reply #348 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:46:48 PM »

Quote from: PTU on May 19, 2015, 03:41:43 PM

For those of you with reading comprehension issues, he is suggesting a MO community in Lakewood. He is calling it "Yeshivish non yeshivish community" - Lipstick on a pig

Not that this bozo's "opinion" matters, but at least understand what the dude is saying, laugh and move on.

@PTU, you don't have to answer this but what "flavor" Jew are you? (Yes, I hate labels, but indulge me here.)

yuneeq · « **Reply #349 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:47:18 PM »

Fink is completely clueless.

1) Not every yeshiva in lakewood is a top of the line yeshiva.
2) People that wear colored shirts aren't considered rebels in Lakewood, and can get their kids in yeshiva.
They might not be considered yeshivish, but that would apply in any town.

Side point:
I was told from someone there, that many people approached the boys at the lake and were able to talk with them (in a helping manner).
Some even convinced some of the boys to leave the lake.
I was also told that besides 3-5 people, everyone else was not (openly) mechalel shabbos.
Also, the use of the word "protest" paints a picture of people castigating and yelling at the boys,
when it more of a parade or a peaceful demonstration that most of the boys were not upset about.

PTU · « **Reply #350 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:48:52 PM »

Quote from: Freddie on May 19, 2015, 03:46:48 PM

@PTU, you don't have to answer this but what "flavor" Jew are you? (Yes, I hate labels, but indulge me here.)

Very bland

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #351 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:50:38 PM »

Quote from: PTU on May 19, 2015, 03:48:52 PM

Very bland

Ah, a yekke

yakrot · « **Reply #352 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:50:53 PM »

Quote from: PTU on May 19, 2015, 03:41:43 PM

For those of you with reading comprehension issues, he is suggesting a MO community in Lakewood. He is calling it "Yeshivish non yeshivish community" - Lipstick on a pig

Not that this bozo's "opinion" matters, but at least understand what the dude is saying, laugh and move on.

" Maybe it would be helpful if the rabbinic leadership of the yeshiva community sanctioned a yeshivish non-BMG community with its own leaders and community standards. They would have still strict halachic standards like other yeshivish communities, just less strict in non-halachic norms. Most importantly, a more diverse school system should be established. I have a feeling that would be very helpful." doesn't seem like modern orthodoxy to me... Unless of course we have very different definitions of modern orthodoxy.

PTU · « **Reply #353 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:52:25 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on May 19, 2015, 03:47:18 PM

Fink is completely clueless.

Side point:
I was told from someone there, that many people approached the boys at the lake and were able to talk with them (in a helping manner).
Some even convinced some of the boys to leave the lake.
I was also told that besides 3-5 people, everyone else was not (openly) mechalel shabbos.
Also, the use of the word "protest" paints a picture of people castigating and yelling at the boys,
when it more of a parade or a peaceful demonstration that most of the boys were not upset about.

On the other hand, I had a conversation with a teen from that type who claims that they are all generally furious and feel that we are not giving them room to "just chill and grow up" and they are planning "retaliations" ..

But both may be true.

Sport · « **Reply #354 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: PTU on May 19, 2015, 03:41:43 PM

For those of you with reading comprehension issues, he is suggesting a MO community in Lakewood. He is calling it "Yeshivish non yeshivish community" - Lipstick on a pig

Not that this bozo's "opinion" matters, but at least understand what the dude is saying, laugh and move on.

Still dont see it. Because He used the word moderate?? He clearly is talking relative to what he percieves is the most insular form of orthodox. More moderate than that is not MO.

Sport · « **Reply #355 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:55:57 PM »

Quote from: yakrot on May 19, 2015, 03:50:53 PM

" Maybe it would be helpful if the rabbinic leadership of the yeshiva community sanctioned a yeshivish non-BMG community with its own leaders and community standards. They would have still strict halachic standards like other yeshivish communities, just less strict in non-halachic norms. Most importantly, a more diverse school system should be established. I have a feeling that would be very helpful." doesn't seem like modern orthodoxy to me... Unless of course we have very different definitions of modern orthodoxy.

+1

aygart · « **Reply #356 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:56:37 PM »

He totally missed the boat. What is happening at the lake is not a breach of Lakewood standards but a breach of any standard of observant Judaism. If you call for people to accept that then you are espousing at best modern orthodoxy.
On his other point, this has nothing to do with people accepting colored shirts. There are many people in Lakewood who wear them and feel very accepted. The difference between those who feel accepted and those who do not is more their actions.

Freddie · « **Reply #357 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:57:03 PM »

Quote from: PTU on May 19, 2015, 03:48:52 PM

Very bland <img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji22.png" />

Quote from: Yehuda57 on May 19, 2015, 03:50:38 PM

Ah, a yekke

LOL! Hilarious!

Anyway, @PTU, I am gathering from your other posts that you do live in Lakewood. According to Fink you must be yeshivish or you would have been run out.

The reason I asked is because I was trying to see whether it took an outsider to understand what a "diss" the article was to the "yeshivisher."