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[ckmk47]

Just after the vaccine became available, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study saying gosh, darn, those who've had covid have antibodies and are immune for at least 8 months. (The length of time since the first cases.)
Since then, there have been additional studies published saying the same.


Politics has made this fact remain unemphasized.   If the authorities would consider natural antibodies
-the Jews wouldn't have been vilified for getting together.
-the elites wouldn't be able to classify all the unvaccinated as uneducated hobos.

Yes, there's been some reinfections.  The vaccine isn't 100% effective either.
How long the immunity lasts in either case isn't yet know.

[aygart]

(I don't know what you mean by concrete science)

I keep confusing science and mathematics

[biobook]

Which is a crime in and of itself

Explain?

[aygart]

Explain?

There should be enough data to use recovery at least to some extent since it seems quite similar to vaccination  to the laymen. We don't know how long vaccination will last yet we are willing to accept that even for those who were vaccinated in November so why shouldn't we accept recovery for something too

[biobook]

There should be enough data to use recovery at least to some extent since it seems quite similar to vaccination  to the laymen. We don't know how long vaccination will last yet we are willing to accept that even for those who were vaccinated in November so why shouldn't we accept recovery for something too

Again, I feel like you're conflating two separate issues - immunity and policy.

Re:immunity, we just don't know yet what factors are responsible for one person having a breakthrough infection or reinfection, while another person remains immune.  Our inability to answer this question isn't criminal... there just haven't been enough cases with enough data collected from them. 

Re: policy, I don't know what NYC will decide regarding whether to accept an antibody test as "proof" of immunity.  It's not scientifically valid proof, but perhaps it's good-enough-proof for the purpose of allowing admission to public venues.

The numbers I gave before were for the US in general, where recoverees make up about 10% of the population.  And since many recoverees have vaccinated, the unvaxed recoverees are, let's say, 5%, so easy to ignore.  But in NYC, the covid cases were higher than elsewhere, so the recoverees are a larger percentage of the total - I don't know the numbers - and I would assume that the NYC authorities will have to come up with some solution.

[aygart]

Again, I feel like you're conflating two separate issues - immunity and policy.

Re:immunity, we just don't know yet what factors are responsible for one person having a breakthrough infection or reinfection, while another person remains immune.  Our inability to answer this question isn't criminal... there just haven't been enough cases with enough data collected from them. 

Re: policy, I don't know what NYC will decide regarding whether to accept an antibody test as "proof" of immunity.  It's not scientifically valid proof, but perhaps it's good-enough-proof for the purpose of allowing admission to public venues.

The numbers I gave before were for the US in general, where recoverees make up about 10% of the population.  And since many recoverees have vaccinated, the unvaxed recoverees are, let's say, 5%, so easy to ignore.  But in NYC, the covid cases were higher than elsewhere, so the recoverees are a larger percentage of the total - I don't know the numbers - and I would assume that the NYC authorities will have to come up with some solution.

I am talking entirely policy since it seems somewhat detached  from science

[biobook]

I am talking entirely policy since it seems somewhat detached  from science

I haven't seen anything in the policy about unvaxed-recoverees.  This isn't really relevant, but at least it's a hint that there might be exceptions:


What about children and others who can’t get vaccinated?

Children under 12 are still not yet eligible to receive any of the vaccines. On Wednesday morning, Mr. de Blasio said that they would be allowed to enter restaurants with vaccinated adults if they are masked.

Some adults have received or are eligible for medical or religious exemptions that would allow them to not get vaccinated. The city has not yet announced whether people in this category will be allowed to participate in indoor activities at places that will require proof of vaccination.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/04/nyregion/nyc-vaccine-pass-answers.html

[AsherO]

One other point to make is that most US recoverees, certainly the Frum ones, had Alpha (maybe Beta), so their immunity which had proven to work against Alpha/Beta might not hold up as well against Delta. We won’t know until if/when Delta penetrates the US Jewish communities, and by then vaccinating will be too late.

[avromie7]

One other point to make is that most US recoverees, certainly the Frum ones, had Alpha (maybe Beta), so their immunity which had proven to work against Alpha/Beta might not hold up as well against Delta. We won’t know until if/when Delta penetrates the US Jewish communities, and by then vaccinating will be too late.

Is there any evidence that the vaccine holds up to variants better than natural immunity? I would think natural immunity would be more effective because it's immunity to more than just specific proteins.

[Kobe Bryant]

Not getting vaccinated and burdening everybody else is crueler. Even if there are many people doing it.

Anyways I have no issue in giving care to the untaxed insofar as it doesn't take up capacity from others. I just put it more bluntly because that what it ultimately boils down to.

Freedom goes both ways. You can't make me care for you but refuse to let me vaccinate you.

The same should apply to smokers, obese people or as you say to the “untaxed”

[AsherO]

Is there any evidence that the vaccine holds up to variants better than natural immunity? I would think natural immunity would be more effective because it's immunity to more than just specific proteins.

You would think. There’s extensive evidence that vaccines lower hospitalization and fatality in Delta cases, and anecdotal evidence that Delta spread is lower in states with higher vaccination.

Similar data on that scale does not exist for recoverees. If it does exist please point to it.

[biobook]

I am talking entirely policy since it seems somewhat detached  from science

Bars in LA and San Francisco require customers to show "proof of Covid-19 vaccination or a negative test to drink indoors"  Maybe NYC will include this option too.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/08/02/no-vax-no-service-bars-restaurants-proof-of-vaccination/?sh=c32ca9a90f03

[aygart]

Bars in LA and San Francisco require customers to show "proof of Covid-19 vaccination or a negative test to drink indoors"  Maybe NYC will include this option too.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/08/02/no-vax-no-service-bars-restaurants-proof-of-vaccination/?sh=c32ca9a90f03

But isn't the most contagious time right before a test would be positive?

[aygart]

You would think. There’s extensive evidence that vaccines lower hospitalization and fatality in Delta cases, and anecdotal evidence that Delta spread is lower in states with higher vaccination.

Similar data on that scale does not exist for recoverees. If it does exist please point to it.

Has Israel had higher rates among recovered than among the vaccinated? They have been considering them equivalent and still do

[avromie7]

You would think. There’s extensive evidence that vaccines lower hospitalization and fatality in Delta cases, and anecdotal evidence that Delta spread is lower in states with higher vaccination.

Similar data on that scale does not exist for recoverees. If it does exist please point to it.

I haven't seen anything either way. Most likely because the politicians and the media won't report it and I don't go around hunting covid studies.

[biobook]

But isn't the most contagious time right before a test would be positive?

You're right that a negative test is not a guarantee that the person is not contagious.  But the same can be said for the vaccination card, since breakthrough infections occur.  Both can help lower the probability of transmission in a large public venue.

[aygart]

You're right that a negative test is not a guarantee that the person is not contagious.  But the same can be said for the vaccination card, since breakthrough infections occur.  Both can help lower the probability of transmission in a large public venue.

More or less likely than recovery?

[biobook]

More or less likely that recovery?

huh?

[aygart]

huh?

Fixed

[biobook]

Fixed

Sorry, still not parsing.  Can you put it in a whole sentence?