Author Topic: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?  (Read 48867 times)

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And the fact that others did a bad job is not in any way, shape or form a defense for those that did a bad job.
Hopefully it might sink in coming from you. I tried 100 different ways.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493/

I think @CountValentine and I agree pretty much that ;

The administration was at fault but there's also the issue that China is a bad player and we rely on China for too much manufacturing.

The USA is supposedly the most powerful nation on earth .

We relied too much on foreign oil, we need to have these resources at home.


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The coronavirus experience demonstrates that economic interaction does not occur in a vacuum of geopolitical competition. Dependence on China for crucial medical equipment throughout the pandemic has illuminated the dangers of a hyper-globalized economy. Experts had warned of American dependence on key drug ingredients from China. The Wall Street Journal has reported that China is the only maker of key ingredients for certain classes of drugs, including established antibiotics that treat a range of bacterial infections such as pneumonia. American reliance on Chinese suppliers for other pharmaceuticals and medical supplies is also worrisome. Americans should not depend on an authoritarian rival state for its citizensí healthóany more than the United States and other free and open societies should give Chinese companies, and by extension the Chinese Communist Party, control over communications infrastructure and sensitive personal data.

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Is this a blunder?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/premier-infuriated-by-trump-says-canada-helped-us-amid-9-11/ar-BB12c5MB?li=BBnbfcL
Utterly ridiculous. Completely incomparable. We would have helped them in that situation too, but when we both have a tower collapsing, well, put on your oxygen mask before assisting other passengers.
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Utterly ridiculous. Completely incomparable. We would have helped them in that situation too, but when we both have a tower collapsing, well, put on your oxygen mask before assisting other passengers.
I agree not comparable but should we stop medical supplies. IIRC at a press conference Trump claimed he didn't stop supplies going to Europe but could have.
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I agree not comparable but should we stop medical supplies. IIRC at a press conference Trump claimed he didn't stop supplies going to Europe but could have.
We donít have enough in this country, why should we ship any out? If weíre sending to Europe I donít understand that at all.
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We donít have enough in this country, why should we ship any out?
It is one of those tough decisions.
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Iím a US citizen living in Canada, Trump should not stop them. Certain materials that are used to produce masks come from Canada and part of the Detroit medical staff live in Canada and cross the border daily. In a medical supplies border war no one wins.

 This is just some nationalistic propaganda by the trump administration . Just like he tried to put US soldiers at the Canadian border last week for no good reason.

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Iím a US citizen living in Canada, Trump should not stop them. Certain materials that are used to produce masks come from Canada and part of the Detroit medical staff live in Canada and cross the border daily. In a medical supplies border war no one wins.

 This is just some nationalistic propaganda by the trump administration . Just like he tried to put US soldiers at the Canadian border last week for no good reason.
Huh? Canada is tougher on Americans coming in than America is on Canadians coming in to America right now
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Politically he can only lose by sending them out while we have a shortage.
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Politically he can only lose by sending them out while we have a shortage.

Correct, but thatís all it is, political, not necessarily smart.

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Correct, but thatís all it is, political, not necessarily smart.
But he is a politician and politics is what matters most to him for better or worse.
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Correct, but thatís all it is, political, not necessarily smart.
can you please explain how it's smart to send what is in short supply? I'm trying to understand your logic but I don't get it.

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Sort of surprised to the answers so far. No one feels that even when things are in short supply you should not show compassion?
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Sort of surprised to the answers so far. No one feels that even when things are in short supply you should not show compassion?

We're the Titanic and we're going down without enough life boats. Do we send some life boats to the other ship that also might need them? We did this already once by selling masks for $2/pc in Feb, and there's not one person saying that was the right move in retrospect. If we send out life-saving equipment today, and it costs US lives tomorrow, it will be inexcusable.
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We're the Titanic and we're going down without enough life boats. Do we send some life boats to the other ship that also might need them?
Would you give your life vest to a child you did not know or was from a different country?
If we send out life-saving equipment today, and it costs US lives tomorrow, it will be inexcusable.
Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.
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Sort of surprised to the answers so far. No one feels that even when things are in short supply you should not show compassion?

Is it compassionate to take PPE away from Americans to send to Canadians? Why do they have more of a right to it than Drs and nurses in the US?

Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

If it's only "might need them" then it would be wrong to hold it back from someone who actually does need. With PPE, everyone needs, so it does make sense to are for "our own" before helping others

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Would you give your life vest to a child you did not know or was from a different country? Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.

Let's start with the child example. We're not talking about children. We're talking adults to adults. Just because they're Canadian doesn't mean they're somehow less self-sufficient.

Regarding the answers you're seeing, the thread is about administration blunders. From a political perspective, the administration answers to the people of the US and is responsible for their well-being. They would be derelict in their duty if they sent vital equipment out of the country to the detriment of US lives.

Regarding states sending equipment to NYC, it depends on the details. Who owns the equipment?  Is it the state? Is it private healthcare providers? Is it federally owned but on loan or stored in certain states? You also have certain states that are virtually guaranteed to not get hit nearly as hard as NY, both by virtue of population density and by the benefit of learning from NY's mistakes and taking extra precautions earlier.
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I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.
This is very much the Jewish religious view.
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