Author Topic: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?  (Read 51145 times)

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Perhaps. I’m pointing out that all he’s accusing the governor of is contributing to an increase in spread- exactly what others are showing the US as a whole did poorly vs. other countries.

Spread in the general population or even in exposed people cannot be compared to sending COVID+ people back to nursing homes full of high-risk residents.

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The point people are making is if you take out the disastrous nursing home policies in NY, NJ, MI, etc., the USA numbers would look vastly different. This administration is not to blame for policies other states, such as FL and CA, figured out were deadly immediately.
Right, but I still wonder if the numbers are still significantly higher, excluding the nursing home deaths, than other countries, which could be partially explained by the numbers of obese people in the US.

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which could be partially explained by the numbers of obese people in the US.
This plus other factors as well. But incompetent leadership on all levels doesn’t help.

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This plus other factors as well. But incompetent leadership on all levels doesn’t help.

There are endless factors such as American selfishness, inconsistent policies, inconsistent enforcement, the distraction of the presidential election, BLM riots (and people seeing that those get a free pass so thinking they can do what they want in other settings too), and the media hyperbolizing everything to the point of obscurity.

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Source?
Maybe cuz we’re only giving away $700 billion to other countries and not more

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Maybe cuz we’re only giving away $700 billion to other countries and not more

The intention there is self-serving foreign policy, not altruism.

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Just to understand what you’re saying, when you say a governor “killed” people you mean exposed additional vulnerable people to COVID?
Don't leave out the setting being high risk of spread too. Also the difference between actually exposing and not preventing risk of exposure are so far apart. The equivalence is almost like calling the original lockdown similar to China welding buildings shut.
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10% of the total number of COVID deaths in the United States occurred in the last 12 days.
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10% of the total number of COVID deaths in the United States occurred in the last 12 days.

And 10% of the total confirmed case count occurred in the last 10 days.

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And 10% of the total confirmed case count occurred in the last 10 days.

That’s a scarier statistic, because deaths R”L lag...

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That’s a scarier statistic, because deaths R”L lag...

Yes very. The yeshuah, can't come fast enough. Hopefully it'll be the vaccine with Hashem's help.

I didn't do the math but most likely the preceeding 10 days and also 10 days prior were also 10% of the case counts at those intervals. Because the counts were so high every day.

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It appears my post did not clearly represent what I was trying to say.
Spread among 30 y/os is directly and indirectly responsible for a miniscule amount of deaths compared to spread in nursing homes.
False, and exactly my point. All large scale spread in LTCFs started with large scale spread among other people. The spread among 30 year olds directly and indirectly led to *every* death in the US- including those in LTCFs. I’m not saying Cuomo wasn’t dead wrong (he certainly was), I’m saying the US failed in precisely this way on a broad scale. Bringing in Cuomo’s deadly decisions as a *defense* of the US death rate is inane.

Denmark, Taiwan, New Zealand, and the other countries quoted in the tweet didn’t need to decide about that *because* there wasn’t a lot of spread. Sweden is now being accused of poor nursing home policy as well *because* there was a lot of spread. You can’t get to step 2 (good or bad nursing home policy) without getting to step 1- having a lot of infected people spreading COVID.
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It appears my post did not clearly represent what I was trying to say.False, and exactly my point. All large scale spread in LTCFs started with large scale spread among other people. The spread among 30 year olds directly and indirectly led to *every* death in the US- including those in LTCFs. I’m not saying Cuomo wasn’t dead wrong (he certainly was), I’m saying the US failed in precisely this way on a broad scale. Bringing in Cuomo’s deadly decisions as a *defense* of the US death rate is inane.

Denmark, Taiwan, New Zealand, and the other countries quoted in the tweet didn’t need to decide about that *because* there wasn’t a lot of spread. Sweden is now being accused of poor nursing home policy as well *because* there was a lot of spread. You can’t get to step 2 (good or bad nursing home policy) without getting to step 1- having a lot of infected people spreading COVID.
This is utterly ridiculous. There were many nursing homes that did not have outbreaks, and were working day and night to keep it that way. Comes along Cuomo and literally forces them to bring the virus into their facility. Not only did that directly lead to many many deaths, but it also was directly responsible for a very big part of the hospital overload which lead to many many more deaths. None of this had anything to do with the 30 y/os.
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This is utterly ridiculous. There were many nursing homes that did not have outbreaks, and were working day and night to keep it that way. Comes along Cuomo and literally forces them to bring the virus into their facility. Not only did that directly lead to many many deaths, but it also was directly responsible for a very big part of the hospital overload which lead to many many more deaths. None of this had anything to do with the 30 y/os.
Where did those people with the virus “forced” into the facilities get infected? Wuhan? What was the (flawed) reasoning behind the policy?
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Where did those people with the virus “forced” into the facilities get infected? Wuhan? What was the (flawed) reasoning behind the policy?
Who cares which cow the anthrax virus in the powder originated from. It is 100% on the shoulders of the terrorist who sent it when someone dies from it. Here too it makes no difference where the patient zero in the LTCF caught it from. It is all on the shoulders of the terrorist who forced them into the home.
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Where did those people with the virus “forced” into the facilities get infected? Wuhan? What was the (flawed) reasoning behind the policy?
This is irrelevant, the fact is there was some spread, and the governor made sure it continues to spread among the highest risk population.
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It is 100% on the shoulders of the terrorist who sent it when someone dies from it.

Don't you know that unemployment is responsible for all terrorism...

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Who cares which cow the anthrax virus in the powder originated from. It is 100% on the shoulders of the terrorist who sent it when someone dies from it. Here too it makes no difference where the patient zero in the LTCF caught it from. It is all on the shoulders of the terrorist who forced them into the home.
Of course. What’s your point? Someone tried to defend the fact that living in the US in 2020 was much deadlier than living in, say, Singapore by pointing to Cuomo’s actions. But his policies are *not* the differentiator. The enormous spread in the US is. His actions followed those facts.


Just like in NY, there were a lot of deaths in Florida, Texas, and other places, the majority occurring in LTCFs. Singapore, Taiwan etc. had no such issue. Was it the nursing home policies or something else that explains the enormous death discrepancies?
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This is irrelevant, the fact is there was a ton of spread, and the governor made sure it continues to spread among the highest risk population.
FTFY

Irrelevant to what? Are you aware of what I was responding to?
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