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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1041 on: August 31, 2021, 04:12:13 PM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1042 on: August 31, 2021, 04:21:41 PM »
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/DOD%20Resignation%20Letter%20083021.pdf?ver=1630334079818

Open Letter from Retired Generals and Admirals Regarding Afghanistan


The retired Flag Officers signing this letter are calling for the resignation and retirement of the
Secretary of Defense (SECDEF) and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) based on
negligence in performing their duties primarily involving events surrounding the disastrous
withdrawal from Afghanistan. The hasty retreat has left initial estimates at ~15,000 Americans
stranded in dangerous areas controlled by a brutal enemy along with ~25,000 Afghan citizens who
supported American forces.   

What should have happened upon learning of the Commander in Chief’s (President Biden’s) plan to
quickly withdraw our forces and close the important power projection base Bagram, without
adequate plans and forces in place to conduct the entire operation in an orderly fashion?   

As principal military advisors to the CINC/President, the SECDEF and CJCS should have
recommended against this dangerous withdrawal in the strongest possible terms. If they did not do
everything within their authority to stop the hasty withdrawal, they should resign. Conversely, if they
did do everything within their ability to persuade the CINC/President to not hastily exit the country
without ensuring the safety of our citizens and Afghans loyal to America, then they should have
resigned in protest as a matter of conscience and public statement.   

The consequences of this disaster are enormous and will reverberate for decades beginning with the
safety of Americans and Afghans who are unable to move safely to evacuation points; therefore,
being de facto hostages of the Taliban at this time. The death and torture of Afghans has already
begun and will result in a human tragedy of major proportions. The loss of billions of dollars in
advanced military equipment and supplies falling into the hands of our enemies is catastrophic. The
damage to the reputation of the United States is indescribable.  We are now seen, and will be seen for
many years, as an unreliable partner in any multinational agreement or operation. Trust in the United
States is irreparably damaged. 

Moreover, now our adversaries are emboldened to move against America due to the weakness
displayed in Afghanistan. China benefits the most followed by Russia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea
and others. Terrorists around the world are emboldened and able to pass freely into our country
through our open border with Mexico. 

Besides these military operational reasons for resignations, there are leadership, training, and morale
reasons for resignations. In interviews, congressional testimony, and public statements it has become
clear that top leaders in our military are placing mandatory emphasis on PC “wokeness” related
training which is extremely divisive and harmful to unit cohesion, readiness, and war fighting
capability. Our military exists to fight and win our Nation’s wars and that must be the sole focus of
our top military leaders. 

For these reasons we call on the SECDEF Austin and the CJCS General Milley to resign. A
fundamental principle in the military is holding those in charge responsible and accountable for their
actions or inactions. There must be accountability at all levels for this tragic and avoidable debacle.


Signed
 
RADM Philip Anselmo, USN, (ret)
MG Joe Arbuckle, USA (ret)
BG John C. Arick, USMC (ret)
BG Billy A. Barrett, USAF (ret)
RADM Jon Bayless, USN, (ret)
BG Charles Bishop, USAF (ret)
BG Don Bolduc, USA (ret)
MG William Bowdon, USMC (ret)
LTG William Boykin, USA (ret)
MG Edward Bracken, USAF (ret)
VADM Toney Michael Bucchi, USN (ret)
MG Bobby Butcher, USMC (ret)
BG Jim L. Cash, USAF (ret)
LTG James E. Chambers USAF (ret)
MG Carroll D. Childers, USA (ret)
RADm Arthur Clark, USN (ret)
VADM Ed Clexton, USN, (ret)
MG John J. Closner III, USAF, (ret)
BG Peter b. Collins, USMC (ret)
MG David L Commons USAF (ret)
MG James l. Dozier, USA (ret)
BG Keith B. Connolly USAF (ret)
BG Bob Floyd, USA (ret)
MG Larry Fortmer, USAF (ret)
BG Jerome V. Foust, USA (ret)
BG Jimmy E. Fowler, USA (ret)
BG Jerome V. Foust, USA (ret)
RADM J. Fraser, USN (ret)
MG John T. Furlow, USA (ret)
MG Francis C. Gideon, USAF (ret)
MG Lee V. Greer, USAF (ret)
BG John H. Grueser, USAF (ret)
MG Ken Hageman, USAF (ret)
Gen Alfred Hansen, USAF (ret)
MG Bryan G. Hawley, USAF (ret)
MG John W. Hawley, USAF (ret)
BG Norman Ham, USAF (ret)
RADM Donald Hickman, USN (ret)
MG William B. Hobgood, USA (ret)
MG Bob Hollingworth, USMC (ret)
MG Jerry D. Holmes, USAF (ret)
ADM. Jerome L. Johnson USN (ret)
RADM John King, USN (ret)
BG Douglas E. Lee, USA (ret)
 MG J.S. Lynch, USMC (ret)
RADM(L) Grady L. Jackson USN (ret)
RADM Ronny Jackson USN (ret)
MG Anthony Kropp USA (ret)
RADM Chuck Kubic, CEC, USN (ret).
MG James E. Livingston, USMC, MOH (ret)
MG John D. Logeman, USAF (ret)
MG Jarvis D. Lynch, USMC (ret)
LTG Fred McCorkle, USMC (ret)
LTG Thomas McInerney, USAF (ret)
BG Michael P. McRaney, USAF (ret)
BG James M. Mead, USMC (ret)
BG Joe Mensching, USAF (ret)
MG John F. Miller, USAF (ret)
RADM John A. Moriarty, USN (ret)
RADM David R. Morris, USN (ret)
BG Ben Nelson, USAF (ret)
BG Joe Oder, USA, (ret)
MG Ray O’Mara, USAF (ret)
MG Joe S. Owens, USA (ret)
BG John a. Paterson, USAF (ret)
RADM Russ Penniman, USN (ret)
MG Richard Perraut, USAF (ret)
VADM John Poindexter, USN (ret)
RADM J.J. Quinn, USN (ret)
LTG Clifford H. Rees, USAF (ret)
BG Teddy E. Rinebarger, USAF (ret)
RADM Norman Saunders, USCG (ret)
LTG Hubert G. Smith, USA (ret)
MG James Stewart, USAF (ret)
RADM Jeremy D. Taylor, USN (ret)
LTG William Thurman, USAF (ret)
BG Robert Titus, USAF, (ret)
LTG Lansford E. Trapp Jr, USAF (ret)
 BG Richard J.  Valente, USA (ret)
MG Paul Vallely, USA (ret)
BG William L. Welch, USAF (ret)
MG Kenneth W. Weir, USMCR (ret)
MG Mike Wiedemer, USAF (ret)
MG Richard O. Wightman, Jr. USA (ret)
BG Robert E. Windham, USA (ret)
RADM Denny Wisely, USN. (ret)
BG Robert V. Woods, USAF (ret)

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1044 on: August 31, 2021, 04:42:15 PM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1046 on: August 31, 2021, 04:49:51 PM »

@bluestrings

Are you tagging him to bring this tweet to his attention?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1047 on: August 31, 2021, 04:52:07 PM »
Are you tagging him to bring this tweet to his attention?

not necessarily.

Why is this relevent?


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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1049 on: August 31, 2021, 05:00:00 PM »
not necessarily.

Why is this relevent?

Just curious about the ping, cuz I'm pretty sure he already knows about the tweet.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1051 on: August 31, 2021, 05:02:31 PM »
Any overlap with the letters against Trump?

I assume not.

Although it should be noted that this is against the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not Biden.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1052 on: August 31, 2021, 05:06:49 PM »
I assume not.

Although it should be noted that this is against the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not Biden.
These types of letters come out all the time and it mean more now than when the same was against Trump
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1053 on: August 31, 2021, 05:13:50 PM »
I assume not.

Although it should be noted that this is against the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not Biden.
Because not everything is about politics. People speak out about Americans being put in harms way due to sheer stupidity.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1054 on: August 31, 2021, 05:30:11 PM »
Because not everything is about politics. People speak out about Americans being put in harms way due to sheer stupidity.
Took me a minute to look at the context and realize you weren't referring to the stupidity of the Americans who didn't leave months ago.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1055 on: August 31, 2021, 06:17:31 PM »
Because not everything is about politics. People speak out about Americans being put in harms way due to sheer stupidity.
What harms way ? We gave everyone ample opportunity to leave and tried our best to remove those holding out, short of starting another war with the taliban.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1056 on: August 31, 2021, 06:21:10 PM »
So I guess they did some things right.
No doubt in return for the legitimacy the Biden admin seems to be open to giving them. Which is really bothersome we should put them to test first before we legitimize a group that has committed atrocities before.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1058 on: August 31, 2021, 06:29:28 PM »
No doubt in return for the legitimacy the Biden admin seems to be open to giving them. Which is really bothersome we should put them to test first before we legitimize a group that has committed atrocities before.
I don't think we should expect this leopard to change its spots. We can get them to play nice until we get our people out.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1059 on: August 31, 2021, 06:37:42 PM »
I don't think we should expect this leopard to change its spots. We can get them to play nice until we get our people out.
What people? No one is “stranded” according to the Biden-Harris administration.