Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[AsherO]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2350282/awful-if-true-us-reportedly-believes-only-around-20-hostages-are-still-alive.html

Who the **** wrote this drivel? It closes out with a quote from a Hamas leader saying “there is hope”, as if we share his hopes for anything.

[AsherO]

Who the **** wrote this drivel? It closes out with a quote from a Hamas leader saying “there is hope”, as if we share his hopes for anything.

Looks like they’re paraphrasing this NewsMax article, I don’t think they know what they’re talking about:
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/israel-gaza-hamas/2025/01/07/id/1194241/

[Just A Jew]

Looks like they’re paraphrasing this NewsMax article, I don’t think they know what they’re talking about:
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/israel-gaza-hamas/2025/01/07/id/1194241/

Hold the phones! YWN doesn't know what they're talking about?? Say it ain't so...

[AsherO]

https://x.com/osint613/status/1877015645209907646

Hope their families find peace and closure

[AsherO]

https://x.com/osint613/status/1877015645209907646

Hope their families find peace and closure

If I’m understanding correctly only one body was returned. When they found it they also found evidence that implies the son might also have been killed, but the son’s body was not returned.

https://x.com/idfonline/status/1877022507024191681?s=46

[yelped]

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/annexing-parts-of-gaza-is-the-way-to-unleash-hell-on-hamas-8e6f4748

[Alexsei]

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/annexing-parts-of-gaza-is-the-way-to-unleash-hell-on-hamas-8e6f4748

I was wondering what Trump would do

[mevinyavin]

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/annexing-parts-of-gaza-is-the-way-to-unleash-hell-on-hamas-8e6f4748

Was thinking about posting this (but had decided not to). Since you did, here's a screenshot for the filters chevreh:

[dovy2]

Was thinking about posting this (but had decided not to). Since you did, here's a screenshot for the filters chevreh:

Just 1 mile? not enough to make a statement. settlements in the center of gaza (near that new division they built) is the only answer.

[yelped]

Was thinking about posting this (but had decided not to). Since you did, here's a screenshot for the filters chevreh:

This is basic common sense, but, as we see in every aspect of political life, common sense is not to be found.

[Just A Jew]

Just 1 mile? not enough to make a statement. settlements in the center of gaza (near that new division they built) is the only answer.

The total area of Gaza is around 141 square miles. His proposal would already annex almost 20% of it. 25 miles along the length, plus another 2 miles along the northern border. And that says nothing about whatever presence they'll keep along the Egyptian border, which could raise the total land under Israeli control to almost 30% of the entire strip.

[dovy2]

The total area of Gaza is around 141 square miles. His proposal would already annex almost 20% of it. 25 miles along the length, plus another 2 miles along the northern border. And that says nothing about whatever presence they'll keep along the Egyptian border, which could raise the total land under Israeli control to almost 30% of the entire strip.

true, but 1 mile width basically means more empty space, which won't mean much to Gazans. Let Isralies live there, that's another story.

[Euclid]

true, but 1 mile width basically means more empty space, which won't mean much to Gazans. Let Isralies live there, that's another story.

1 mile for housing is a lot bigger than you're making it lol

[AsherO]

true, but 1 mile width basically means more empty space, which won't mean much to Gazans. Let Isralies live there, that's another story.

Whaaat?

Much of Gaza is ~4 miles wide (5-6 miles wide in the northernmost part and tapering up to ~7.7 miles in the northern part. 1 mile strip inside the border of Gaza is a ~25% reduction in width.

Let's use a Brooklyn row/train house as an analogy. Many/most of them are 20' (20 feet) wide, and that includes the width of the outer walls, so you end up with ~18' of width. Imagine deducting 4-5' of space, so an 18'x20' livingroom becomes 13'-34'x20', it's quite signficiant. Just visit someone with a 16' wide Brooklyn row house and you'll notice a signficant reduction in space.

In any case, there were many thousands of strucures leveled in this buffer zone over the past year.

[Just A Jew]

true, but 1 mile width basically means more empty space, which won't mean much to Gazans. Let Isralies live there, that's another story.

You're forgetting about the current buffer zone between settlements and the current wall. Moving it a mile down a 25 mile stretch definitely changes a lot in terms of housing for Israelis.

[Just A Jew]

Was thinking about posting this (but had decided not to). Since you did, here's a screenshot for the filters chevreh:

IMO, this proposal is more radical than those who want Israel to annex the entire Gaza. If they take over Gaza, they'll still have to house 2 million Gazans. There may be a few shtachim that pop up throughout the strip, but it won't be very significant, considering they'll have to live amongst the existing population. This proposal keeps the separation, condensing the area the Gazans can live in by 20-30%, while giving almost 30 sq miles for shtachim in fully Israeli territory. Both the pain to Gazans and the benefit to Israelis would be much greater under this proposal.

[yelped]

IMO, this proposal is more radical than those who want Israel to annex the entire Gaza. If they take over Gaza, they'll still have to house 2 million Gazans. There may be a few shtachim that pop up throughout the strip, but it won't be very significant, considering they'll have to live amongst the existing population. This proposal keeps the separation, condensing the area the Gazans can live in by 20-30%, while giving almost 30 sq miles for shtachim in fully Israeli territory. Both the pain to Gazans and the benefit to Israelis would be much greater under this proposal.

That's why it's common sense for victors of a war to do.

[EliJelly]

That's why it's common sense for victors of a war to do.

I'm confused. Is this suggestion an end goal and solution for Gaza or just a tool in this never ending war for Hamas and its supporters to capitulate quicker?

[yelped]

I'm confused. Is this suggestion an end goal and solution for Gaza or just a tool in this never ending war for Hamas and its supporters to capitulate quicker?

Don't ask me, you wouldn't want to hear what I think needs to be done.

[EliJelly]

Don't ask me, you wouldn't want to hear what I think needs to be done.

Kill all men and enslave the women and children? That's what victors did historically.

Seriously, since you mentioned "common sense" and that usually goes together with a strong connection to reality. The reality is that as an end goal, shrinking Gaza will not accomplish anything for Israel's security. The 2 million and counting radical terror supporting population will continue to multiply like frogs and raise new generations of terrorists. When (!!) Israel wins this war they'll need to figure out how to establish a government which will totally revamp everything from scratch, most importantly focusing on education and uprooting Hamas's terror indoctrination.