Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[ExGingi]

My שורש נשמה is more Rashab. 

Which is exactly the שורש נשמה of כ"ק אדמו"ר מוהריי"צ.

[imayid2]

In his final words of the segment, he says that no thanks are due to a doctor who gets paid to do his job.

If I’m hearing correctly he said that about a doctor who was forced to heal you against his will.

Plenty to criticize without exaggerating.

[stooges44]

anyone who thinks this changes anyone's mind needs to read my signature

There's like 2 people in the whole world that would actually switch sides over this, the haters are hating regardless and the believers realize that this operation (pun intended) had to happen regardless. There may or may not be a smoking gun but when your cleaning for pesach you clean everywhere.

[AsherO]

And this is the Rayatz @EliJelly

Interesting that it was said in 1947…

[imayid2]

Contrast his attitude with:

And Whaddaya know, I even found a non Lubavitcher who acknowledged this

היחס לחיילים בימים האלה״”

אז האם יש הכרת הטוב לחיילים? בוודאי, הם עושים את הפעולות הנצרכות להשתדלות, והם מסכנים את החיים עבור כל העם. אם כל החיילים היו מניחים את נשקם היינו צריכים לברוח מכאן במטוס הראשון, על פי הדין. מי שלא מכיר טובה
לחיילים הוא כפוי טובה גמור

[yelped]

anyone who thinks this changes anyone's mind needs to read my signature

It's more that he shouldn't go unchallenged and that others should see his response. Otherwise, some people simply have no chance of obtaining the actual facts.

[EliJelly]

Interesting that it was said in 1947…

Exactly, before the creation of the state and the IDF. I'm not even sure what the Rayatz is referring to. I don't want to believe it's about the rebellion groups הגנה, אצ״ל, לח״י.

[ExGingi]

And Whaddaya know, I even found a non Lubavitcher who acknowledged this
אז האם יש הכרת הטוב לחיילים? בוודאי, הם עושים את הפעולות הנצרכות להשתדלות, והם מסכנים את החיים עבור כל העם. אם כל החיילים היו מניחים את נשקם היינו צריכים לברוח מכאן במטוס הראשון, על פי הדין. מי שלא מכיר טובה
לחיילים הוא כפוי טובה גמור

Looks like a pashkvil to me, as there is no name on it.

[ExGingi]

If I’m hearing correctly he said that about a doctor who was forced to heal you against his will.

Plenty to criticize without exaggerating.

He baselessly and ridiculously claims that the combat soldiers are there against their will (utter nonsense!).

As far as I recall hearing he said that a Dr that gets paid to heal doesn't deserve thanks.

Just listened to his condescending words again just in order to answer you:
"אין הבדל בין רופא שהכריחו אותו לאחד שלוקח כסף".

If you want to listen to his nonsense regarding doctors start at 33:00 in the Google drive link.

I recommend you stop trying to defend the indefensible disgrace and chilul Hashem!

[Thrifty]

he says that no thanks are due to a doctor who gets paid to do his job.

Does he tell the people who attend his shiur not to thank him since he is getting paid to give shiur?

[ExGingi]

Does he tell the people who attend his shiur not to thank him since he is getting paid to give shiur?

Side question: does his yeshiva (that pays his salary) accept government funding?

[imayid2]

As far as I recall hearing he said that a Dr that gets paid to heal doesn't deserve thanks.

Just listened to his condescending words again just in order to answer you:
"אין הבדל בין רופא שהכריחו אותו לאחד שלוקח כסף".

If you want to listen to his nonsense regarding doctors start at 33:00 in the Google drive link.

Conceded, though his point is not quite the way it’s being spun here and at other places throughout he is clear that he accepts the notion to acknowledge thank you for a service and is trying to differentiate between that and a deeply felt gratitude aka “הכרת הטוב. “

I recommend you stop trying to defend the indefensible disgrace and chilul Hashem!

Dunno where I’m defending what he said, just explaining what he meant which is not the same at all. If I wanted to defend him we could just go the תינוק שנשבה route

[yelped]

If I wanted to defend him we could just go the תינוק שנשבה route

You would be the ultimate Saneigor if you could pull that one off. I mean, someone who is in the same Yeshiva that Rav Chaim Shmuelivtz taught in and spews such nonsense... I mean look at the other wonderful people in the Mir. Where did this come from??

[imayid2]

https://www.kikar.co.il/yeshiva-world/s43ykj
https://www.dirshu.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%98%D7%95%D7%91-%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%90%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%9A-%D7%9C%D7%9A.pdf

[ExGingi]

Conceded, though his point is not quite the way it’s being spun here and at other places throughout he is clear that he accepts the notion to acknowledge thank you for a service and is trying to differentiate between that and a deeply felt gratitude aka “הכרת הטוב. “

א"ר יוסי יהא חלקי מגומרי הלל בכל יום. איני והאמר מר הקורא הלל בכל יום הרי זה מחרף ומגדף

[Sam 77]

How many UN workers knew this was happening on October 7th & saw the hostages being brought in & didn’t say a word.
They need to be kicked out of Israel permanently.

They have a massive piece of land in JLM that will be grabbed in seconds

[imayid2]

א"ר יוסי יהא חלקי מגומרי הלל בכל יום. איני והאמר מר הקורא הלל בכל יום הרי זה מחרף ומגדף

?

[imayid2]

You would be the ultimate Saneigor if you could pull that one off. I mean, someone who is in the same Yeshiva that Rav Chaim Shmuelivtz taught in and spews such nonsense... I mean look at the other wonderful people in the Mir. Where did this come from??

Looks like he learned in Brisk, not in the Mir...
Not sure why you think he needs to agree with Rav Chaim Shmuelevitz.

[jye]

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-war-southern-gaza-invasion-d73bde94?mod=mhp

“Israel’s military estimated Friday it had killed around 1,000 Hamas fighters, a small portion of the force of more than 30,000 that it said were in the group’s ranks before the war.”

This sounds way off. They killed 1500 terrorists in the immediate aftermath of October 7th alone.

[imayid2]

And then (and beforehand with the story of the Chofetz Chaim) makes it crystal clear that no הכרת הטוב is due, kind of לא מדובשך ולא מעוקצך.

Allegedly, this is the mashol the Chazon Ish gave when asked about הכרת הטוב to the מדינה.