Lakewood NJ Master Thread

[Moishebatchy]

You obviously missed my point. Yeshivalite have nothing against most bala batim. Its the "working ppl" that I described, who have moved into Lakewood that they do not want to associate with.

You are not describing "working people". You are describing an almost-goy with some vestige of Judaism. The VAST MAJORITY of working people in Lakewood aren't remotely like that. And yet they are discriminated against anyway.

And how are you differentiating between "bala batim" and "working people" anyway?

 

 You obviously have a chip on your shoulder against kollel ppl, its sad.

No idea where you got that from. Just because I don't like people who have a "holier-than-thou" attitude, that doesn't mean I don't like nice, ehrliche kollel people. Unless you (not me) are trying to imply that there's no such thing as a tolerant, loving kollel person?

[Let3]

Or worse.. Which source of "dirty hock" is more reliable...

[Moishebatchy]

Paying? Lemme guess, you dont donate to BMG, right?

Not me, I'm not that rich... but yes, my father does. And my uncles. Let me tell you a little secret: the more sons/sons-in-law you have in BMG, the more you are expected to "donate". And mind you, not a single one of my siblings actually gets a kollel check from BMG.

[elikay]

just who do you think it is that is paying for you to sit in kollel, anyway?! Other kollel people?!

Not the anti-kollel people!

[Moishebatchy]

Sic?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sic&l=1

 

  Since when are we disscussing opions?? This conversation started off with why the schools in lkwd don't accept certain kids/kids from certain homes.

Thats not about opion, there are facts about that.

Exactly. And everyone is entitled to an opinion about that, and whether they feel that mentality is right or wrong.

 

  Lol.

What's so funny about that?

 

You have experience with getting your kids into school in lkwd??

No, I have first-hand experience watching kids getting rejected by schools in Lakewood... from both sides of the desk.

 

Believe it or not, not always will you "rebbe bro-in-law" tell you everything, or even know everything thats going on.
Sad to say, but the real L"h goes on in other places besides family dining rooms.

Wow, that statement is so flawed, I really don't know where to even start.

And who needs the "real L"h" (sic) when you have confirmed facts, from multiple reliable sources?

I assume you also decide where to invest your life's savings, based on the rumors you hear in the BMG coffee room?

[Moishebatchy]

Not the anti-kollel people!

For the hundredth time, I'm not "anti-kollel". I'm not "anti-Lakewood" either - there are lots of fine people living there. The only thing I am "anti" is people who cannot be tolerant and accepting of their fellow Yidden. And even then, I don't hate those people; I hate what they are doing. But I still love and accept every one of them, and would gladly invite them into my home or help them out with anything, should they ever need me.

[churnbabychurn]

You are not describing "working people". You are describing an almost-goy with some vestige of Judaism. The VAST MAJORITY of working people in Lakewood aren't remotely like that. And yet they are discriminated against anyway.

And how are you differentiating between "bala batim" and "working people" anyway?

 
No idea where you got that from. Just because I don't like people who have a "holier-than-thou" attitude, that doesn't mean I don't like nice, ehrliche kollel people. Unless you (not me) are trying to imply that there's no such thing as a tolerant, loving kollel person?

The vast majority of working ppl have no problem getting into a large variety of schools, such as Yeshiva ketana etc. (everyone in lakewood deals with lack of room)
The ones who dont get in are either as I described {indeed 2%} . or those who insist on not going to "schools where other working ppl send cuz even though I work im still a choshuveh yeshivaman"...

[churnbabychurn]

No idea where you got that from. Just because I don't like people who have a "holier-than-thou" attitude, that doesn't mean I don't like nice, ehrliche kollel people. Unless you (not me) are trying to imply that there's no such thing as a tolerant, loving kollel person?

Do you agree that people learning all day are indeed holier than thou?
Does this bother you? Their "attitude" is imaginary.

[elikay]

For the hundredth time, I'm not "anti-kollel". I'm not "anti-Lakewood" either - there are lots of fine people living there. The only thing I am "anti" is people who cannot be tolerant and accepting of their fellow Yidden. And even then, I don't hate those people; I hate what they are doing. But I still love and accept every one of them, and would gladly invite them into my home or help them out with anything, should they ever need me.

I really have not been following this too closely nor was I saying that you were anti-kolel.

[Moishebatchy]

The vast majority of working ppl have no problem getting into a large variety of schools, such as Yeshiva ketana etc. (everyone in lakewood deals with lack of room)
The ones who dont get in are either as I described {indeed 2%} . or those who insist on not going to "schools where other working ppl send cuz even though I work im still a choshuveh yeshivaman"...

 Utter and complete BS. I know firsthand of many, MANY people who are not the bummy type you described, yet can't get their kids into school (at least not without a huge fight, and more importantly, a fat check from zeidy). Likewise, from the other side of the desk, I know people who work in offices where a lot of the rejecting is done, and they have told me what kind of people get rejected, and what the members of the hanhala say to each other about such people.

[Moishebatchy]

Do you agree that people learning all day are indeed holier than thou?
Does this bother you?

Sigh... how ignorant can you get? "Holier-than-thou" is an expression:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-righteousness

And...
 

Their "attitude" is imaginary.

...is utterly false. I'm not saying everyone is like that; but unfortunately, there are quite a few people who are like that.

Again, I'm not some ignorant hater from Flatbush. I'm someone who used to live in Lakewood, who experienced all this firsthand.


Oh, and I'm in kollel, too. So they are, indeed, not necessary "holier than me". The difference is... I also work on the side, since I understand that the whole world isn't magiya li.

[churnbabychurn]

Sigh... how ignorant can you get? "Holier-than-thou" is an expression:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-righteousness

Oh.... What an eye opener . . Sigh

[judahk88]

Oh.... What an eye opener . . Sigh

Sigh on this convo. I feel like it is coming to an end. None of you are going to change each others minds, so just agree to disagree.

[Baruch]

The reason why the yeshivalite didn't like the balebatim moving in, had nothing to do with the fact that they were working. It was because of the Gashmiyus that they had in their lives. They were bringing gashmiyus to ruchniyusdike Lakewood. And their fears were true. In the old days, no one had a fancy house or car. Today the standards went up tremendously by Bnei torah. It wasn't bias, it was bringing in a different focus on life. They changed the whole culture in Lakewood.

Now, do you have a right to stop someone from changing your culture, is a different question. But it had nothing to do with hate/bias, that's a complete misrepresentation.

[Baruch]

isn't it Ironic that I was getting blasted for speaking L"H about WS By Baruch and then you slipped into Lakewood and Rabbi/Askan Bashing which is somehow not considered L"H.

Guilty as accused. Now I expect you to man/woman up and admit that what you said was too. 


I never bashed Lakewood or a Rabbi. I bashed some menahalim, who are 1000% not lesheim shamayim.

[Mimi K.]

Guilty as accused. Now I expect you to man/woman up and admit that what you said was too. 

Suffice it to say, if I would have known what it would have caused I would not have posted it 

People just can't hold themselves back on the Hating.

I'm not sure if they hate God,Torah,Jews in general or just have an inferiority complex.
Why do they go so berserk 

Lakewood has some internal problems just like every community but overall its the best place to live.
I did not grow up here but I lived here moved out of town and returned.
I don't think I will leave again (to another US City).
I think some people feel somehow slighted when they can't get into the most Yeshivish school when they don't Act or Dress Yeshivish.
If they don't want that lifestyle why force it on their kids?
There are very few people who can't get into "Any" School. Just not the one they want.
My sister had the same thing in Flatbush.
They told her that there are 30 slots and 24 siblings and over 300 apps.
It took a lot of Phone calls and Nudging to get my nephew in.

[asd]

why bash the menahelim they have no power,@ baruch please retract,and who made you the authority of lakewood.The issues of lakewood are way beyond your paygrade and are dealt with in ways you wont even begin to contemplate unbeknown to the masses this is ametuer hour on ddf.

[dd321]

The reason why the yeshivalite didn't like the balebatim moving in, had nothing to do with the fact that they were working. It was because of the Gashmiyus that they had in their lives. They were bringing gashmiyus to ruchniyusdike Lakewood. And their fears were true. In the old days, no one had a fancy house or car. Today the standards went up tremendously by Bnei torah. It wasn't bias, it was bringing in a different focus on life. They changed the whole culture in Lakewood.

Now, do you have a right to stop someone from changing your culture, is a different question. But it had nothing to do with hate/bias, that's a complete misrepresentation.

good point

[Saver2000]

why bash the menahelim they have no power,@ baruch please retract,and who made you the authority of lakewood. The issues of lakewood are way beyond your paygrade and are dealt with in ways you wont even begin to contemplate unbeknown to the masses this is ametuer hour on ddf.

This is an online forum with anonymous people behind fake names.

How the heck do you know who baruch is and what his paygrade is?? 

[yuneeq]

Btw, there's a DO being arranged right now in the lakewood DO thread. Just a heads up...