Shlomo Yehuda Rechnitz Article

[Baruch]

Would Reb Rechnitz (whom I admire immensely) invest in a company without doing due diligence?

Let's do due diligence before we change society.

[wayfe]

That happens today as well. How many became a local Rov the day they were married?

I think that before they became Rov, they found means to support themselves...

[Baruch]

Here are my thoughts:



They get sent off to Kollel each morning in a starched white shirt with their paper bag lunches and come home to a warm supper in the evening. They've gotten used to this passive mentality. The landlord asks the wife for the rent... I think it's pathetic. If you look back- all the gedolim supported themselves. Rashi was a vintner. It was considered an embarrassment to have to rely on somebody else.

Why had that changed? Why are they still boys instead of men?

Was the Chazon Ish pathetic? You're above comment describes him as a young man. Read the book.

 I think it's beautiful that there are wives willing to take care of everything - so their husbands blossom into tremendous Talmidei Chachamim.

BTW, I personally have many relatives who's wives takes care of everything, and their husbands are breathtaking Talmidei Chachamim, the second the wife is having a hard pregnancy etc. they take over the house, and are extremely dedicated and hard working.

[aygart]

I think that before they became Rov, they found means to support themselves...

source? There are many sources both in halacha and in story books of fathers-in-law supporting the eidim learning. Well known among them is the Bach and Taz.

[MarkS]

I think it's beautiful that there are wives willing to take care of everything - so their husbands blossom into tremendous Talmidei Chachamim.

We're not talking about those people (and most of those don't wear starched shirts). We're talking about people doing their 'mandatory' years in the system to save face.

[Baruch]

We're not talking about those people (and most of those don't wear starched shirts). We're talking about people doing their 'mandatory' years in the system to save face.

That's who you're talking about. I don't believe the pathetic comment was directed just at ppl doing mandatory time.

[MarkS]

source? There are many sources both in halacha and in story books of fathers-in-law supporting the eidim learning. Well known among them is the Bach and Taz.

But the % of people that it happened to vs working was much lower than nowadays.

Is the change because we are all on a higher level now and suddenly all able to shteig all day? Or just because now there's enough money (is there really??) to enable everyone to do this? Or because this is what's 'expected?

[PlatinumGuy]

Or just because now there's enough money (is there really??)

There's no question that social welfare is at it's highest point since Adam was kicked out of gan eden…

[aygart]

But the % of people that it happened to vs working was much lower than nowadays.

Is the change because we are all on a higher level now and suddenly all able to shteig all day? Or just because now there's enough money (is there really??) to enable everyone to do this? Or because this is what's 'expected?

Or because in the current environment women are able to get jobs which can support a small family (with some help) and sometimes even a large one.

[MarkS]

There's no question that social welfare is at it's highest point since Adam was kicked out of gan eden…

And there's no question that the need for everyone to offer a MINIMUM of $12,000 ($24,000 preferred) per year for each daughter is causing a lot of problems in our community.
Say he gets 5 year support - that's $60K - $120K for one daughter over 5 years.
What if you have a few daughters in their first 5 years at the same time???

Again - if he's learning seriously then Kol Hakavod and it's well worth it. But if he's just doing it to make his wife and shver happy and not really shteiging then he's wasting his time and other peoples money. And yet he's compelled to do it by the system.

[PlatinumGuy]

And there's no question that the need for everyone to offer a MINIMUM of $12,000 ($24,000 preferred) per year for each daughter is causing a lot of problems in our community.
Say he gets 5 year support - that's $60K - $120K for one daughter over 5 years.
What if you have a few daughters in their first 5 years at the same time???

Again - if he's learning seriously then Kol Hakavod and it's well worth it. But if he's just doing it to make his wife and shver happy and not really shteiging then he's wasting his time and other peoples money. And yet he's compelled to do it by the system.

That's a debt crisis, not a shidduch crises. You have to educate people to fiscal responsibility.

[MarkS]

That's a debt crisis, not a shidduch crises. You have to educate people to fiscal responsibility.

The point I'm making is that the expectations in the shidduch world led to all that.

[Malachi]

The point I'm making is that the expectations in the shidduch world led to all that.

  this has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility as much as it has to do with desperation.

[Drago]

  this has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility as much as it has to do with desperation.

Sure, the desperation is caused due to the shidduch expectations as MarkS wrote.

[bubkiz]

That's a debt crisis, not a shidduch crises. You have to educate people to fiscal responsibility.

If people are honest and say 'we can afford support" the chances of a boy willing to date plummets.

[Malachi]

If people are honest and say 'we can afford support" the chances of a boy willing to date plummets.

hence your username?

[PlatinumGuy]

But there's nothing wrong with guys looking for girls who can afford something.

There's everything wrong with people making commitments they can't keep.

So you have to fix what's broken and that's irresponsible parents.

[MarkS]

But there's nothing wrong with guys looking for girls who can afford something.

There's everything wrong with people making commitments they can't keep.

So you have to fix what's broken and that's irresponsible parents.

This is going in circles. Why are the guys looking for a girl to support them? Because the girl says she wants someone learning.

So he is forced to say he'll learn, her father is forced to promise support etc.

Don't you see that if the girl wasn't as insistent on only marrying a long term learner this cycle would never start off???

[PlatinumGuy]

2 reasons.
1) In the general community, younger marriage age is correlated with higher divorce rates. Therefore, to continue in your parlance, it would be more mehadrin to marry someone older and not a teenager.

2) If ppl truly believe this is a crisis, then all potential solutions should be explored, and this would be a simpler one than most. including Rechnitz's.

1) That's like saying that since surgeries have a 10% failure rate, if you take 10 you're bound to fail 1. It ignores the fact that it depends on human talent and a good doctor will be above average.

Hence the fact that more young women get divorced than older ones, doesn't mean the mature younger ones are any worse off.

2) That doesn't support your claim above (below)

24 year old bachur would rather have some young fresh flesh, close to the illegal age, rather than someone 24? Wouldn't that be considered a real ruchniyus issue that should be worked on, rather than catered to?

[Centro]

Time to acknowledge that the chasidisha system is the way to go, it has proven to work and will continue to work, no age gaps, no girls left behind etc....

(Hope I didn't start a fire )