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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #880 on: December 21, 2015, 08:22:51 PM »
You don't. Did you do any research?
As someone who hangs around Poskim, I can tell you, he was very respected.
Yes but ask the average guy. Not the guy who deals in Gittin.


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #881 on: December 21, 2015, 08:23:54 PM »
Yes but ask the average guy. Not the guy who deals in Gittin.
Keep digging.
Not sure why you think that matters
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #882 on: December 21, 2015, 08:25:07 PM »
Yes but ask the average guy. Not the guy who deals in Gittin.
Yeah, but we're dealing in the inyan of gittin. You're not gonna ask someone who's an expert in the hilchos of eiruv about the halacha of a blech on shabbos
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #883 on: December 21, 2015, 08:32:33 PM »
This conversation started, because I claimed that she may be mutar La'boel based on her mesader kedushin being the #1 Rav in America in Gittin/Kedushin.

So who cares if the Average Joe heard of him?

By Poskim he was considered the #1 Rav!

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #884 on: December 21, 2015, 08:33:57 PM »
This conversation started, because I claimed that she may be mutar La'boel based on her mesader kedushin being the #1 Rav in America in Gittin/Kedushin.

So who cares if the Average Joe heard of him?

By Poskim he was considered the #1 Rav!
It seems that he is number 1 in quantity. Primarily servicing out of town communities.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #885 on: December 21, 2015, 08:37:15 PM »
It seems that he is number 1 in quantity. Primarily servicing out of town communities.
Keep digging.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #886 on: December 21, 2015, 08:37:41 PM »
It seems that he is number 1 in quantity. Primarily servicing out of town communities.
Wrong.
If you asked a Posek in the Yishivisheve Velt, who the most prominent Posek in the USA on Even Ha'Ezer is, they would have told you - RNG.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #887 on: December 21, 2015, 08:38:44 PM »
Wrong.
If you asked a Posek in the Yishivisheve Velt, who the most prominent Posek in the USA on Even Ha'Ezer is, they would have told you - RNG.
But CBC never heard of him. How could he be big
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #888 on: December 21, 2015, 08:41:07 PM »
But CBC never heard of him. How could he be big
Ok. Let's play trivia. Name another very big posek in any field (alive) that I haven't heard of.

Maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about...

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #889 on: December 21, 2015, 08:45:10 PM »
Wrong.
If you asked a Posek in the Yishivisheve Velt, who the most prominent Posek in the USA on Even Ha'Ezer is, they would have told you - RNG.
Key word is asking a posek.
I'm saying that the avarge Ben Torah hasn't heard if him. As I mentioned, this is because he hasn't published seforim, is not known as a posek on any other topics, and has very few talmidim.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #890 on: December 21, 2015, 09:01:05 PM »
Key word is asking a posek.
I'm saying that the avarge Ben Torah hasn't heard if him. As I mentioned, this is because he hasn't published seforim, is not known as a posek on any other topics, and has very few talmidim.
Keep digging.
Not sure why you think that matters
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #891 on: December 21, 2015, 09:01:36 PM »
Key word is asking a posek.
I'm saying that the avarge Ben Torah hasn't heard if him. As I mentioned, this is because he hasn't published seforim, is not known as a posek on any other topics, and has very few talmidim.
Who cares? In the context of her being Mutar La'boel, she was married by the #1 Rabbi in the eyes of Poskim.
(Being that he doen't have a promoter to send photos of him lighting his Menorah to the papers, CBC never heard of him, [although 99% of CBC's friends did hear of him] and therefore she is asur La'Boel?)

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #892 on: December 21, 2015, 09:02:03 PM »
This conversation started, because I claimed that she may be mutar La'boel based on her mesader kedushin being the #1 Rav in America in Gittin/Kedushin.

So who cares if the Average Joe heard of him?

By Poskim he was considered the #1 Rav!
If she knew that the Rav was misled it doesn't matter if the Rav is #1 or #100 - I don't see how she would be mutar to husband #2

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #893 on: December 21, 2015, 09:03:30 PM »
But CBC never heard of him. How could he be big
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #894 on: December 21, 2015, 09:03:50 PM »




Who cares? In the context of her being Mutar La'boel, she was married by the #1 Rabbi in the eyes of Poskim.
(Being that he doen't have a promoter to send photos of him lighting his Menorah to the papers, CBC never heard of him, [although 99% of CBC's friends did hear of him] and therefore she is asur La'Boel?)




She's an Ones today? Someone should tell her that the "number one rov" is also currently the number one controversial posek in America. - He himself openly says that he does not know the facts here. Tamar Epstein DOES know the facts very very well. She bemayzid went along with this charade of fooling the "number one rov" about the facts.

The last thing anyone would call her is an ones. Simply ridiculous.


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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #895 on: December 21, 2015, 09:38:21 PM »
Churnbabychurn - As long as RNG is still the #1 Rav for Gitten they don't care if Tamar is married, not married, Eishes Ish whatever. No1 here cares about making a mockery of Halacha or due process as long as no1's feelings are hurt everything is fine.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #896 on: December 21, 2015, 09:40:46 PM »
The question of how big Rabbi Greenblatt is or isn't is neither here nor there. There is a letter that he wrote (which was posted on this thread somewhere) in which he said that he did not know any of the facts in this case but relied solely on what someone else told him. The facts presented to R Greenblatt were incorrect and yet he is unwilling to retract his psak.

The heter was not the beginning of the Rabinic corruption in this sad saga but rather the final straw that broke the camels back. The absolute & complete disregard for Halacha displayed in this case is nothing short of a tsunami. There were letters written by Gedolim that the husband in this case was mechyuv to give a get (absolutely false) and authorized rallies to publicly humiliate the husband as well as his family, tried to have him fired from his job. Gedolim signed onto a bogus Seruv along with Wolmark and company that was issued 100% shla k'halacha. The Silver Spring (DC) Vaad where the husband lives banned him from every shul in town based on that Serev, even though they knew that it was bogus. The wifes family as per testimony at the Mendel Epstein trial hired Mendel Epstein to kidnap and torture the husband to force him to give a get, they were unsuccessful as he was able to get away after they jumped him in the driveway of his former in-laws after dropping off his daughter on Tisha B'Av. I can go on but I won't. The Busha in this case belongs solely to ones responsible for the above mentioned actions. Nothing that can be said on this blog can add to their Busha.

I now have a better understanding to what Dovid Hamelach wrote in Tehillim 34:19-20 - Hashem is close to the brokenhearted & those crushed in spirit He saves. Many are the mishaps of the righteous but from them all Hashem rescues them.

As the Winston Churchill once said  A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. It's taken five years but the truth is dressed and ready to roll.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #897 on: December 21, 2015, 09:49:03 PM »
I'm calling the bluff on you being friends brother....
Why? I believe him. I don't detect any major anger in his posts.
BTW, that quote from Churchill is phenomenal, I never heard it b4, I knew some good would come out of this thread!

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #898 on: December 21, 2015, 10:01:26 PM »
Churnbabychurn - As long as RNG is still the #1 Rav for Gitten they don't care if Tamar is married, not married, Eishes Ish whatever. No1 here cares about making a mockery of Halacha or due process as long as no1's feelings are hurt everything is fine.
I'm sure you care about isur aishes ish more than RSK and RNG. You love Hashem and his Torah much more than them. In fact if we'd lock you and them up in a room with an aishes ish, they'd succumb way before you, because you care so much more about the inyan of aishes ish. Gimme a break!

This has nothing to do with Aishes Ish.

I think that everyone in this discussion agrees that the heter is very hard to defend. The question is how much respect we have for Rabbanim muvhakim.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #899 on: December 21, 2015, 10:08:37 PM »
I'm sure you care about isur aishes ish more than RSK and RNG. You love Hashem and his Torah much more than them. In fact if we'd lock you and them up in a room with an aishes ish, they'd succumb way before you, because you care so much more about the inyan of aishes ish. Gimme a break!

This has nothing to do with Aishes Ish.

I think that everyone in this discussion agrees that the heter is very hard to defend. The question is how much respect we have for Rabbanim muvhakim.
Let me get this straight. You agree the heter is hard to defend yet this has nothing to do with Eishes Ish?