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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1120 on: January 03, 2016, 06:50:10 PM »
No.

Reportedly other letters are coming out to be mocheh the bizayon directed at R Shmuel.

Apparently it's not real, but it's the sentiment all the same.  We'll see more shortly.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1121 on: January 03, 2016, 06:53:41 PM »


Lock thread?
Very interesting
They want to block a few websites because of bizayon hatorah
And then they add "if only the rabbonim would keep their word..."

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1122 on: January 03, 2016, 06:56:45 PM »
No.

Reportedly other letters are coming out to be mocheh the bizayon directed at R Shmuel.
Reportedly other letters are coming out to be mocheh the bizayon directed at G-d

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1123 on: January 03, 2016, 07:02:39 PM »
Very interesting
They want to block a few websites because of bizayon hatorah
And then they add "if only the rabbonim would keep their word..."
You mean those philly boys bashing R Feldman? They crazy

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1124 on: January 03, 2016, 07:07:33 PM »
Letter doesn't have a signature? I'm calling garbage.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1125 on: January 03, 2016, 07:29:33 PM »
Plus the gemara in bbm quoted has no shaychus.

Problem is that R Aharon Feldman has few talmidim in Lakewood to deal with these signs.
Oh well.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1126 on: January 06, 2016, 03:01:08 PM »


Wow ,

So the badatz obviously didn't listen to R Shmuel.

What happened with R Dovid? Did he look into this as R Shmuel wanted?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1127 on: January 06, 2016, 03:09:49 PM »


Wow ,

So the badatz obviously didn't listen to R Shmuel.

What happened with R Dovid? Did he look into this as R Shmuel wanted?
Did you notice how there's a machlokes between you and Rav Shmuel?
He calls R Nota the "rosh hamumchim be'inyanei Gittin".
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1128 on: January 06, 2016, 04:26:04 PM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1129 on: January 06, 2016, 04:45:03 PM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1130 on: January 06, 2016, 05:05:49 PM »
Two websites that have taken on the mitzvah Kedosha of refuting eidson.
(Disclaimer: I didn't read them but their style seems to be quite sharp.  I'm not sure if they are רוח חכמים נוחה הימנו either.)
http://elbonasheltorah.com/
https://daistorah.wordpress.com/

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1131 on: January 06, 2016, 06:07:55 PM »
Two websites that have taken on the mitzvah Kedosha of refuting eidson.
(Disclaimer: I didn't read them but their style seems to be quite sharp.  I'm not sure if they are רוח חכמים נוחה הימנו either.)
http://elbonasheltorah.com/
https://daistorah.wordpress.com/
They treat R Aharon Feldman like a ..... Don't even want to say.

They are no better that eidinson.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1132 on: January 06, 2016, 06:13:22 PM »
Two websites that have taken on the mitzvah Kedosha of refuting eidson.
(Disclaimer: I didn't read them but their style seems to be quite sharp.  I'm not sure if they are רוח חכמים נוחה הימנו either.)
http://elbonasheltorah.com/
https://daistorah.wordpress.com/

Elbonah is incomprehensible and the dais is so completely pro-feminist that he is spewing in the same exact fashion as Eidonsohn.
Visibly Jewish

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1133 on: January 06, 2016, 06:28:15 PM »
They treat R Aharon Feldman like a ..... Don't even want to say.

They are no better that eidinson.
+1 and Eidenson is no better than them.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1134 on: January 06, 2016, 06:40:06 PM »
But,did,you notice how Eidenson had,this,whole,rant yesterday how the "kamenetzky - greenblat camp" have no תוכן so they have to create forgeries and then it turns out he was way off and the letter from RAF is legit.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1135 on: January 06, 2016, 06:49:25 PM »
But,did,you notice how Eidenson had,this,whole,rant yesterday how the "kamenetzky - greenblat camp" have no תוכן so they have to create forgeries and then it turns out he was way off and the letter from RAF is legit.

Don't hold your breath for an apology.  At least he's entertaining to read though.  I like this from today:

"I received the following note from a major talmid chachom and posek. He is viewed in the Torah world as being Rav Feldman's clear superior in psak halacha and Torah knowledge. He has independently investigated the Kaminetsky-Greenblatt heter and has declared it worthless. This is his reaction to Rav Feldman's letter:"

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We are doomed.
May the good Lord have mercy on us.
I have searched and re-searched--I am looking for the bizayon haTorah.
There was bizayon haTorah here--but he's mixed up about who perpetrated it.
And to say that bizayon haTorah in this case is worse than aishes ish---
We doomed,doomed,doomed.

Right... because someone who is "Rav Feldman's clear superior in psak halacha and Torah knowledge" would write that  ::)

And at least name this person if you say those things.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1136 on: January 06, 2016, 07:11:17 PM »
מדברי מחאה של הגאון ר' א. י. סולובייצ'יק שליט"א
 ראש ישיבת בריסק
 נפל דבר בישראל
באמריקה התירו אשת איש לשוק רח"ל בלא גט -
זהו נבלה ממש
וחוץ מעצם הענין שאין רצוני ליכנס בזה שהוא באמת חמור מאוד
הרי אף במקום שצריך ליכנס להתיר עגונות ישבו רבותינו האחרונים שבעה נקיים עד שהוציא פסק
וגם בזה לא היה להם די והתנו ההיתר בהצטרפות עוד גדולים
וכאן עושים כאילו הוא דבר של מה בכך
ורשעים במחשך מעשיהם התירו ולא התירו

כאן בארץ ישראל כשרצו להתיר שני ממזרים הפכו את העולם
חובה גמורה על הרבנים וראשי הישיבות באמריקא לזעוק צעקה גדולה  על זה
והרי זהו אחריות עצומה על כל המשך הדורות באמריקה כי זה פתח לכל מיני רבנציקעש שיוכלו לעשות ככל העולה על רוחם
הכל בא מהקולדז וכו'
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1137 on: January 06, 2016, 07:12:35 PM »
To play nice or not to play nice - that is the question

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1138 on: January 06, 2016, 08:20:16 PM »
R' Nota went to college?
If you don't care why would you comment?
HT: DMYD

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1139 on: January 06, 2016, 08:22:08 PM »
R' Nota went to college?
He's American born no?