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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1440 on: March 22, 2016, 08:20:19 AM »

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1441 on: March 22, 2016, 08:23:12 AM »
Where is the cesav of r Shmuel that he referenced?

Eta, he probably means the letter saying that will follow the pesak of R DF.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1442 on: March 22, 2016, 08:29:12 AM »
He is cooked.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1443 on: March 22, 2016, 08:30:54 AM »
This is what a war on all fronts does. He was exposed and shamed.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1444 on: March 22, 2016, 09:12:26 AM »
I haven't followed this, but is there mamzaros ממזרות involved in nullifying the hetur?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1445 on: March 22, 2016, 09:21:19 AM »
I haven't followed this, but is there mamzaros ממזרות involved in nullifying the hetur?
If there is a child it would be a mamzer.
 how would it not be?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1446 on: March 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM »
If there is a child it would be a mamzer.
 how would it not be?

as in all these situations its very sad but yes the child would be a mamzer
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1447 on: March 22, 2016, 11:24:25 AM »
Can someone give a couple sentence update?

What did Rav Feinstein psak? What exactly is Rav Shalom saying?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1448 on: March 22, 2016, 11:44:33 AM »
Can someone give a couple sentence update?

What did Rav Feinstein psak? What exactly is Rav Shalom saying?
The letter is from R Shalom Kamenetzke.
It states that as his father has already written, they accept the pesak of R D Feinsteins beis din that the "Bitul Kidushing has no validity at all"

And that he has conveyed this message to the related parties and hopes they will listen.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1449 on: March 26, 2016, 09:15:58 PM »
The letter is from R Shalom Kamenetzke.
It states that as his father has already written, they accept the pesak of R D Feinsteins beis din that the "Bitul Kidushing has no validity at all"

And that he has conveyed this message to the related parties and hopes they will listen.
Any word as to why R Dovid Feinstein said that the Bitel Kidushin had no validity? Has R' Greenblatt withdrawn his pasak or is he going to stand alone? Was there a procedural error or as was being claimed all along that the entire "Bitul" was based on sheker? This letter from R Shalom Kaminetsky just leaves more unanswered questions about what his role as well as his fathers role in this mess. It seems admitting a mistake and apologizing is only for the common folk.   

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1450 on: March 26, 2016, 09:17:08 PM »
Just let a dead horse die.

We've already seen that you have an agenda here
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1451 on: March 28, 2016, 01:30:52 AM »
Just let a dead horse die.

We've already seen that you have an agenda here

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1452 on: March 29, 2016, 12:14:24 PM »
Just let a dead horse die.

Is it really dead? Rumor has it that she has no intention of separating. She didn't move to some unknown community. She stayed right there in Philadelphia, yet she feels no pressure as being viewed as a person continuously committing adultery, in public. How sincere was R. Shalom Kaminetzky's letter? Was it equal to ? Which was preceeded by ?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1453 on: March 29, 2016, 12:45:03 PM »
@Avrumi#1

Can you explain in a few words what you are talking about? what does that long letter say, can barely read it..

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1454 on: March 29, 2016, 12:51:00 PM »
Is it really dead? Rumor has it that she has no intention of separating. She didn't move to some unknown community. She stayed right there in Philadelphia, yet she feels no pressure as being viewed as a person continuously committing adultery, in public. How sincere was R. Shalom Kaminetzky's letter? Was it equal to ? Which was preceeded by ?
And while you're at it tell us which other username you use on this site. I can't believe the amount of people who create usernames just for JS.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1455 on: March 29, 2016, 01:04:09 PM »
@Avrumi#1

Can you explain in a few words what you are talking about? what does that long letter say, can barely read it..

These are the last two paragraphs.

ולכן כדאי ונכון להתיר העלובה הזאת..... מותרת היא להנשא מטעם דין קידושי טעות

כל זה נכתב על ידי שלו' קמינצקי, והראתי את הדברים לאאמו''ר ...שליטא, ואישר אותי לחתום על הדברים, שאכן, כנים הם

"It is therefore worthwhile and proper to be matir this woman.... she is free to marry due to the din of kidushei tous.

"All this was written by [Rabbi] Sholom Kaminetzky, and I showed this to my father, and he permitted me to sign on this [heter], that indeed, they are true."

Rabbi Greenblaat rubber stamped this heter. He completely relied upon Rav Shalom Kaminetzky

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1456 on: March 29, 2016, 01:08:32 PM »
And while you're at it tell us which other username you use on this site. I can't believe the amount of people who create usernames just for JS.

You'll just have ti figure that one out yourself, or remain unaware.  :P

Why would it make a difference? If what I wrote is wrong, then please refute it. Just explain yourself. If what I wrote does have merit, then why would it matter what other username I have?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1457 on: March 29, 2016, 01:17:51 PM »
And while you're at it tell us which other username you use on this site. I can't believe the amount of people who create usernames just for JS.
Who cares?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1458 on: March 29, 2016, 02:22:32 PM »



Why would it make a difference? If what I wrote is wrong, then please refute it. Just explain yourself. If what I wrote does have merit, then why would it matter what other username I have?
So then why have 2 usernames ?
Life is as good as you make it...

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #1459 on: March 29, 2016, 02:25:43 PM »
So then why have 2 usernames ?
Maybe because there are some militant modernah feminists on here, who attack people who oppose woman's right to whatever..