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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3380 on: July 20, 2023, 11:04:31 PM »
It always does. Yet the CC doesnít seem to think itís a problem.
Every person who is פורק ממנו עול מלכות שמים לגמרי has a wife and kid?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3381 on: July 20, 2023, 11:06:02 PM »
Every person who is פורק ממנו עול מלכות שמים לגמרי has a wife and kid?
Iím sure there are some that donít

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3382 on: July 20, 2023, 11:06:23 PM »
1. No one is defending how he behaved butÖ

Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3383 on: July 20, 2023, 11:09:28 PM »
Every person who is פורק ממנו עול מלכות שמים לגמרי has a wife and kid?

Not that many are porek ol. Most people sin out of taavos or laziness.

My issue is less the actions, more the background.

I agree that yiras shamayim is paramount.

That's why this is dangerous. That someone in rabbanus can get away with it..

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3384 on: July 20, 2023, 11:09:33 PM »
Every person who is פורק ממנו עול מלכות שמים לגמרי has a wife and kid?

They may even have parents or siblings and uncles and aunts
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3385 on: July 20, 2023, 11:11:00 PM »
We all have sins, and none of us want those acts to be discussed here.
Not all sins were created equal.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3386 on: July 20, 2023, 11:12:19 PM »
Not that many are porek ol. Most people sin out of taavos or laziness.

My issue is less the actions, more the background.

I agree that yiras shamayim is paramount.

That's why this is dangerous. That someone in rabbanus can get away with it..

Do you really think he was a practicing rabbi the last few years? I donít know him but I highly doubt it.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3387 on: July 20, 2023, 11:14:20 PM »
I'm not even thinking of the person involved. The articles were very light on the details... It's not like there was a massive expose on his background, family, friends etc

I just see a "Baal kisharon" a big buki etc, a previous Rosh kolel who also did many other things

Is he bi polar ? schizophrenia? Drugs? Power trip ? I dunno


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3388 on: July 20, 2023, 11:14:40 PM »
Every person who is פורק ממנו עול מלכות שמים לגמרי has a wife and kid?
Each and every one has 2 parents.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3389 on: July 20, 2023, 11:16:30 PM »
Iím sure there are some that donít
So is it clear that the Chofetz Chaim permits it in a case where it would damage others (and there is no real toeles)
They may even have parents or siblings and uncles and aunts
And they may not.

Remember, in the times of the Chofetz Chaim, each town was often it's own world. Saying lashon harah in one town would often never reach another town. In our case, we are talking about writing something that can be seen anywhere, and much worse, it can be seen in 10 years from now.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3390 on: July 20, 2023, 11:17:32 PM »
Each and every one has 2 parents.
Two LIVE parents?

Again, I'm not arguing Ch"V with the Chofetz Chaim. I'm just wondering if that heter overrides the precautions for everyone else, or it is a standalone heter that cannot be used if there are other considerations involved.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3391 on: July 20, 2023, 11:19:08 PM »
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אז מען וועט אויפשניידן די הארץ פון א ליוואק וועט מען טרעפן א צלם, טאמער נישט, נישט געפערליך, איין ליטוואק ווייניגער. אחוץ רבי ברוך בער וואס ער איז קודש קדשים
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Google Transalate: If you cut open the heart of a livak, you will find a picture, not at all, not dangerous, one litvak less. Except Rabbi Baruch Ber, who is holy of holies

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3392 on: July 20, 2023, 11:21:20 PM »
Mostly ignored is the women hurt here bc hey they aren't Jewish..

Trayf and chilul shabbas are porek ok in this sense of being a musmach and acting that way .

I admire Rav Meir kahane

It's sad to watch our leaders fall and fail but the Torah doesn't hush it up..  it's advertised
1. These women are gold diggers that would've dropped him like a hot potato in a submersible, if it were up to their convenience, he just so happened to have outsmarted them. Either way as bad as this is hurtful to the feministic community, it is nowhere near the "gimel chamuros"...

2. Symanthics

3. Time for a new Rav.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3393 on: July 20, 2023, 11:22:48 PM »
I'm not even thinking of the person involved. The articles were very light on the details... It's not like there was a massive expose on his background, family, friends etc

I just see a "Baal kisharon" a big buki etc, a previous Rosh kolel who also did many other things

Is he bi polar ? schizophrenia? Drugs? Power trip ? I dunno

Only issue is, whether there is a reason to publicize/ talk about it.
By the toeiva wedding, they make a clear public statement against the Torah- and we are required to openly protest that.
Here, someone was caught doing bad things.
No one is letting anyone get away with anything.
If the people from the toeiva wedding would do tshuva, that would be a good thing, and same with this guy.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3394 on: July 20, 2023, 11:37:06 PM »
Only issue is, whether there is a reason to publicize/ talk about it.
By the toeiva wedding, they make a clear public statement against the Torah- and we are required to openly protest that.
Here, someone was caught doing bad things.
No one is letting anyone get away with anything.
If the people from the toeiva wedding would do tshuva, that would be a good thing, and same with this guy.

Finally somebody said something I agree with.

But the thing is it's not about getting away with it like I don't really care what the guy that was with this life. Obviously I would like him to get his act together. My point is doing this when you have semicha and write a sefer etc

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3395 on: July 20, 2023, 11:39:28 PM »
האומר דבר בשם אמרו מביא גאולה לעולם.  ;D
See חפץ חיים כלל ד דין ז ובאר מים חיים אות לב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38070&st=&pgnum=88&hilite=

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3396 on: July 20, 2023, 11:41:50 PM »
1. These women are gold diggers that would've dropped him like a hot potato in a submersible, if it were up to their convenience, he just so happened to have outsmarted them. Either way as bad as this is hurtful to the feministic community, it is nowhere near the "gimel chamuros"...

2. Symanthics

3. Time for a new Rav.

You gotta be joking ? What do you think? We all have our collective panties in a wad? It's the cross.

Meanwhile

https://netzachyisrael.substack.com/p/a-cry-to-klal-yisrael-are-we-still

But modi is gay... He's a friggin comedian not a rabbi

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3397 on: July 20, 2023, 11:50:42 PM »
I say this with full conviction. You will be a more frum Jew if you talk in shul and stop talking here.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3398 on: July 20, 2023, 11:54:36 PM »
I say this with full conviction. You will be a more frum Jew if you talk in shul and stop talking here.

Oh ? On what basis ? What's your halachik background. Please quote relevant sources

Anyways, my frumkeit isn't much for discussion.. I'm just too lazy to sin more

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3399 on: July 20, 2023, 11:57:40 PM »
You gotta be joking ? What do you think? We all have our collective panties in a wad? It's the cross.

Meanwhile

https://netzachyisrael.substack.com/p/a-cry-to-klal-yisrael-are-we-still

But modi is gay... He's a friggin comedian not a rabbi

Someone went (undercover) to commit many despicable sins.
There are no indications that people who learn lots of Torah, or who are related to those who learn lots of Torah commit sins more than others.
But people who very publicly transgress the Torah, while insinuating that that should be accepted in our community- they AND their actions should be publicly condemned.
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