Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)

[imayid2]

There is also another way to diffuse the situation and that is for your wife to switch with him.

Not very practical if you have a bunch of children to take care of

[aygart]

Not very practical if you have a bunch of children to take care of

Who said there were children?

[imayid2]

Who said there were children?

Who said there wasn’t?
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[imayid2]

Who is right? Assuming that the Frum passenger is wrong for doing what he did:
Should our hero involve himself in what was going on?
Was our Frum passenger correct when he told our hero to mind his own business?

If we are assuming he is wrong he is not correct for not listening to someone telling him so, and it isn’t his own business because it reflects badly on all frum Jews.

Even has their own rights and wrongs though, so this can be complicated. Even if you’re sure you’re right, chances are he feels the same and will not take kindly. I would leave it and let him cook his own can and explain to the guy next to me that he is a חסיד שוטה.

[Moshe Green]

If we are assuming he is wrong he is not correct for not listening to someone telling him so, and it isn’t his own business because it reflects badly on all frum Jews.

Even has their own rights and wrongs though, so this can be complicated. Even if you’re sure you’re right, chances are he feels the same and will not take kindly. I would leave it and let him cook his own can and explain to the guy next to me that he is a חסיד שוטה.

Thats the 2 questions.
Is it right or wrong to try to diffuse the situation. And is right or wrong for the fellow to tell you to buzz off.
If someone is doing something to make all jews look bad, does each of us have a responsibility to stop him?
And does he have a right to push us off if he believes he is doing the right thing? Should we listen to him or keep on pushing?

[yfr bachur]

Why are you feeding the troll???

[JMHO]

Why are you feeding the troll???

That's what trolls do!

[imayid2]

Why are you feeding the troll???

This is a public forum. There are forum rules and there are moderators to enforce the rules as they see fit. In the absence of such action everyone is free to engage anyone they’d like. Should you dislike someone you can employ this feature

The ignore user feature is good and should be used more.

But it’s strange to try to impose it on others.

[imayid2]

Nebach. There is help available. You just need to reach out.

[Definitions]

That's what trolls do!

Why are you feeding the troll???

I had to Google what the definition of a troll is. I'm assuming its being used here to mean someone that posts intentionally inflammatory stuff.

I personally enjoy reading (and sometimes writing) such posts/conversations. I don't see the issue with it. As long as there's a logical back and forth. Just because it's intentionally trying to bring it a point doesn't mean that there can't be answers regarding whatever the point is.

(If I modify a post and include a quote does the person get notified?)

[JMHO]

Nebach. There is help available. You just need to reach out.

What do you recommend?

[yfr bachur]

This is a public forum. There are forum rules and there are moderators to enforce the rules as they see fit. In the absence of such action everyone is free to engage anyone they’d like. Should you dislike someone you can employ this feature But it’s strange to try to impose it on others.

I know. I was just wondering WHY people find the need to feed the troll, especially when he's blatantly trying to troll and starting a new topic to troll. It's not like the was recently some incident on this topic, unless I missed somthing?

[Moshe Green]

I know. I was just wondering WHY people find the need to feed the troll, especially when he's blatantly trying to troll and starting a new topic to troll. It's not like the was recently some incident on this topic, unless I missed something?

There was recently a topic brought up about a FA's derogatory statement about Frum Jews. Someone posted that Frum Jews need to remember to act properly and not make a Chillul Hashem. It got me thinking about what's the right way to go in such a situation. So I posted it here. There was no trolling going on except by JMHO. Check his posts. About every other one is something nonsensical.

BTW, thats what we Jews do. We learn up a Sugya hypothetically so when the time comes we know how to act. If we don't then we will freeze or do the wrong thing when the issue comes up.

[gozalim]

Fictional Story:
You board the plane with your wife and you're settling in. You notice a few rows down there's an obviously Frum looking individual who was (gasp!) placed next to a 4 year old girl, and hes getting antsy. He looks around desperatly for someone to help and spots a harried looking flight attendant.
"Sir, can you move my seat".
"Please sit down", the FA answers back, "after we take off we will try to help you."
"No!, I must move now!".
"It's a packed flight, sir, we will try to help you after we take off, but i'm very busy now".
You realize what's happening and quickly explain it to your wife. He's very frum, not wanting to sit next to a girl, but with absolutely no basis in Halacha, and there's a very good chance that this could make a Chillul Hashem, if one already wasn't made, you believe that you should do something.
"Should i go over and calm him down?" You ask your wife.
The next part has 2 endings:
1: Your wife shrugs her shoulders. "I don't know why you should get involved. Its his problem not yours. Also, you should mind your own business."
2: Your wife thinks for a second. "Yeah, i guess so. I mean, if you can can prevent another story going out in a nice way, why not?"
You go over to the fellow.
"You know, it's not really Assur." You patiently explain. "No Posek holds that there's an issue here. And definitely if its only until takeoff."
He looks at you with fire in his eyes. "I don't know why your getting involved! Mind your own business!"

Who is right? Assuming that the Frum passenger is wrong for doing what he did:
Should our hero involve himself in what was going on?
Was our Frum passenger correct when he told our hero to mind his own business?

seeing how urgently he was dealing with it in the first place, what made you think your saying so would change his mind?
he already knows how you feel about it.

all for diffusing, but it'll take more than that

[JMHO]

Really?
You come here and bash Talmeidei Chachomim, insult everyone who disagrees with your version of Torah Judaism, and expect people to respect your opinion? DDF is a community, please play by the rules.
(Oh, and no need to PM me your sob apologies)

[rbs-g1.5]

Really?
You come here and bash Talmeidei Chachomim, insult everyone who disagrees with your version of Torah Judaism, and expect people to respect your opinion? DDF is a community, please play by the rules.
(Oh, and no need to PM me your sob apologies)

afaik there was a comment by him that was uncalled for in the discussion about gur.   I don't know maybe he is a gerer..... since then you have made it a mission to be "rodeph "him no matter what the discussion.

[Moshe Green]

Really?
You come here and bash Talmeidei Chachomim, insult everyone who disagrees with your version of Torah Judaism, and expect people to respect your opinion? DDF is a community, please play by the rules.
(Oh, and no need to PM me your sob apologies)

Nebach. There is help available. You just need to reach out.

[JMHO]

Sorry, you're going to have to stop disparaging Talmeidei Chachomim and quit insulting long standing members (oh, and hold back on the crocodileb PM apologies) before you're taken seriously around here...

[yelped]

Sorry, you're going to have to stop disparaging Talmeidei Chachomim and quit insulting long standing members (oh, and hold back on the crocodileb PM apologies) before you're taken seriously around here...

I remember real trolls around here. I wouldn't throw around that term so easily. Although, I did not see the post that you are referring to.

I don't see anything wrong with this question here.

[Moshe Green]

I don't see anything wrong with this question here.

so lets hear your 2 agurot