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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 1039693 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5840 on: July 22, 2023, 04:22:10 PM »
Two completely unrelated questions:

1. Is there any kashrus issue with ordering salmon sashimi (only fish, no rice or seasoning) from a non-kosher restaurant, assuming that: (i)  I was the fish before eating, and (ii) it's delivered to my office so there is no ma'aras ayin issue?

a) What about the knife being used to cut it? maybe it has non-kosher fish/other ingredients on it and also it may be a treif knife used to cut charif things?
b) Maybe the restaurant is not so honest about not putting spices/flavors on it? Maybe they really use a treif fish instead of a kosher one...
c) Why is there no maris ayin if its delivered to your office?

2. Is there any issue with purposely melting ice on Shabbos, either by rubbing it, pouring salt on it, etc?

Thanks!
Where is the ice? in a cup of liquid?
Are you melting the ice because of worry of someone falling?
Are you adding salt for flavor?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5841 on: July 22, 2023, 10:22:27 PM »
I’m in shape, round is a shape…

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5842 on: July 22, 2023, 10:36:05 PM »
Does this need to be toiveled?

ime most poskim will tell you that anything that will break if you toivel it, should not be toivld. Ask ur lor how exactly to go about it

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5843 on: July 22, 2023, 11:12:49 PM »
ime most poskim will tell you that anything that will break if you toivel it, should not be toivld. Ask ur lor how exactly to go about it
Will this break?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5844 on: July 22, 2023, 11:14:44 PM »


a) What about the knife being used to cut it? maybe it has non-kosher fish/other ingredients on it and also it may be a treif knife used to cut charif things?


He wrote he would wash the fish off
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5845 on: July 22, 2023, 11:57:14 PM »
This reminds me of a case I heard: a rov made a policy that only married women can use the mikvah. An unmarried woman tried to make an appointment, and the mikvah lady said, "Sorry, our rav says the policy is only married ladies." The woman responds, "But the same rav told me I need to go to mikvah!" The mikvah lady calls the rav and he says, "You are correct. I did tell you not to let unmarried people use it, and she is no exception. She is also correct, I did tell her she is obligated to go to the mikvah."
It’s somewhat similar to advising an unmarried woman to use the Mikvah. Very much wrong IMO. There are a lot of sources about not allowing them to go, and no mention of the secret advice that they should be advised to try to go.

The concept of הלעטיהו לרשע וימות is applied to some of these types of cases.
This is a bit stale, but by pure “chance” I stumbled on this over shabbos so figure I’ll post it here. Rav Moshe Feinstein’s reported take on this exact scenario! (מסורת משה ח״ד)

 8)
Here is the Rav Yisroel Salanter quote he referenced:


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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5846 on: July 23, 2023, 12:14:36 AM »


This is a bit stale, but by pure “chance” I stumbled on this over shabbos so figure I’ll post it here. Rav Moshe Feinstein’s reported take on this exact scenario! (מסורת משה ח״ד)


I heard the "story" third hand. Very possible that the rav had given the lady generalized info saying the idea of mikvah can exist for single women, not that he gave her a specific psak to go to mikvah.

I also wonder if the classification of "rasha" changes based on the knowledge/upbringing of the person in question. E.g. If the woman in question grew up ignorant of Torah and halacha and then became closer to Torah and Yiddishkeit as am adult and learned about mikvah after already being in a relationship with the man.




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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5847 on: July 23, 2023, 01:03:36 AM »
I also wonder if the classification of "rasha" changes based on the knowledge/upbringing of the person in question. E.g. If the woman in question grew up ignorant of Torah and halacha and then became closer to Torah and Yiddishkeit as am adult and learned about mikvah after already being in a relationship with the man.
I agree it would be hard to apply the classification of “rasha” to such a woman, but still think there are other considerations to to take into account to not advise her to use the Mikvah. For example, not using it may play a role in causing the relationship to end (or culminate halachiky) quicker than if she’s thinking “it’s not so chamur”.

Either way, in regards to what you were using the analogy for,  I think that someone who’s espousing and celebrating LGBTQ cr** under the guise of Judaism, probably would fall under the הלעטיהו לרשע category, and is very different than someone ignorant who’s on the way to  slowly becoming closer to Torah and Yiddishkeit.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5848 on: July 23, 2023, 01:05:01 AM »


I agree it would be hard to apply the classification of “rasha” to such a woman, but still think there are other considerations to not advise her to use the Mikvah. For example, not using it may play a role in causing the relationship to end (or culminate halachiky) quicker than if she’s thinking “it’s not so chamur”.

Either way, in regards to what you were using the analogy for,  I think that someone who’s espousing and celebrating LGBTQ cr** under the guise of Judaism, probably would fall under the הלעטיהו לרשע category, and is very different than someone ignorant who’s on the way to  slowly becoming closer to Torah and Yiddishkeit.

There is no issur in baking or eating a rainbow cake

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5849 on: July 23, 2023, 01:08:20 AM »
There is no issur in baking or eating a rainbow cake
That’s looking at it very technically. It’s a rebellion against the Torah, certainly someone engaging in such activities is a rasha.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5850 on: July 24, 2023, 10:39:09 PM »
How in the world does keli reshon cook and cli sheni doesnt cook, Cook up oil and put it in a cli sheini then cook up water and keep it in kli reshon check the temp of both the oil kli shaini will be hotter.
@yesitsme
You’re making an assumption that hot oil in a kli sheni isn’t mevashel and you’re allowed to put uncooked items in (or a kli shlishi of oil). I’d assume otherwise.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5851 on: July 24, 2023, 11:18:30 PM »
@yesitsme
You’re making an assumption that hot oil in a kli sheni isn’t mevashel and you’re allowed to put uncooked items in (or a kli shlishi of oil). I’d assume otherwise.
true, this shaila is not mine I heard it by a shuir from a ruv+rosh hakollel in EY, someone asked him a question and this was his response basicly pointing out that not everything is logical and we need to follow halacha regardless of our senses

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5852 on: July 24, 2023, 11:31:41 PM »
Doesn't Tosfos deal with this question?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5853 on: July 24, 2023, 11:38:04 PM »
true, this shaila is not mine I heard it by a shuir from a ruv+rosh hakollel in EY, someone asked him a question and this was his response basicly pointing out that not everything is logical and we need to follow halacha regardless of our senses
I was making the point that there is logic here that we can follow (to an extent), and thus boiling oil would be different than water, because it is hotter.

Doesn't Tosfos deal with this question?
They explain the difference between kli rishon and sheini. I'm arguing that oil would be prohibited even in a kli sheini.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5854 on: July 24, 2023, 11:48:43 PM »
@yesitsme
You’re making an assumption that hot oil in a kli sheni isn’t mevashel and you’re allowed to put uncooked items in (or a kli shlishi of oil). I’d assume otherwise.

I can't think of a case of kli sheini offhand, but there are many cases where the poskim treat irui of oils and fats the same as any other irui.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5855 on: July 24, 2023, 11:51:19 PM »
I can't think of a case of kli sheini offhand, but there are many cases where the poskim treat irui of oils and fats the same as any other irui.
Do you have a source explicit regarding oil? I vaguely recall a nidon (not on the page) if the shachs heter of nitzotzos spraying would apply to oil, because its hotter.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5856 on: July 24, 2023, 11:55:23 PM »
Do you have a source explicit regarding oil? I vaguely recall a nidon (not on the page) if the shachs heter of nitzotzos spraying would apply to oil, because its hotter.

YD104 is about pouring fat and there a numerous other cases all around.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5857 on: July 24, 2023, 11:56:22 PM »
Hilchos issur veheter may not be the best place to bring proof from. Consider this: there is a problem of bishul according to many by yad nichvis, and according to all by אמבטי, yet no one differentiates by issur veheter. (The pri migadim struggles to understand why this is so). 

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5858 on: July 25, 2023, 12:04:55 AM »
Hilchos issur veheter may not be the best place to bring proof from. Consider this: there is a problem of bishul according to many by yad nichvis, and according to all by אמבטי, yet no one differentiates by issur veheter. (The pri migadim struggles to understand why this is so). 

I am fairly certain there are cases in OC as well but can't think of any now, way to tired. Good night.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions
« Reply #5859 on: July 25, 2023, 12:09:09 AM »
I am fairly certain there are cases in OC as well but can't think of any now, way to tired. Good night.
I am fairly certain there are not (tzir lfi Rav Yehuda?):)
Good night!