Peace In The Middle East Master Thread

[CountValentine]

Social media is a big influencer. No matter what one may think of them it is important for them to state their support of Israel. I believe it will make a difference no matter how small that difference may be.

[aygart]

To me it shows they are not sheep. Which in turn means their views can change even if I think they won't.

I am sure that some who were able to be willfully blind until now can no longer do so. I am hopeful that there are people whose eyes and won't unsee what they have seen.

Social media is a big influencer. No matter what one may think of them it is important for them to state their support of Israel. I believe it will make a difference no matter how small that difference may be.

I appreciate all support from those who were critical.

[aygart]

Should we give them a prize for seeing the truth for what it is? To me this all seems like a distraction and giving their opinions more value than they’re worth.

We can appreciate that at least now they see something without needing to give a prize for it.

[CountValentine]

I am sure that some who were able to be willfully blind until now can no longer do so. I am hopeful that there are people whose eyes and won't unsee what they have seen.

I know most here see the Palestine issue as blank and white. I would not say those who don't see it as black and white are "willfully blind". I have more faith today than I did yesterday that these individuals might come around..

There is still the problem of the pressure/money. Kylie Jenner is the queen of social media with more followers than anyone. She came out in support of Israel. I honestly didn't know her views before this. The backlash was swift and loud from the pro-Palestinian posters. She buckled under pressure and deleted the post.

[smurf]

follow up question,
Will Israel ever be able to right whatever is wrong as long as Hammas exists?

I believe that not, so in effect the current war to eradicate Hammas, is in actuality the first step towards improving life for the Palestinians.

[CountValentine]

Will Israel ever be able to right whatever is wrong as long as Hammas exists?

Let me make this clear. This is 9/11. Every single member of Hammas needs to be eliminated. We might differ on the approach but not what the outcome needs to be!!!

[aygart]

I know most here see the Palestine issue as blank and white. I would not say those who don't see it as black and white are "willfully blind". I have more faith today than I did yesterday that these individuals might come around..

Yes this is also true. It is not black and white at all. Anyone who feels that the State of Israel and the IDF commits no wrong is delusional.

[AsherO]

Let me make this clear. This is 9/11. Every single member of Hammas needs to be eliminated. We might differ on the approach but not what the outcome needs to be!!!

Very tricky reality because of the amount of civilians around them.

[CountValentine]

Very tricky reality because of the amount of civilians around them.

Not disagreeing but the result must be achieved.

[yelped]

Yes this is also true. It is not black and white at all. Anyone who feels that the State of Israel and the IDF commits no wrong is delusional.

But to even mention it in the context of Palestinians is immoral and disgusting.

It is a topic to discuss when the Palestinians are ready to be peaceful. As long as they seek to harm Jews, there is nothing to discuss.

[aygart]

But to even mention it in the context of Palestinians is immoral and disgusting.

It is a topic to discuss when the Palestinians are ready to be peaceful. As long as they seek to harm Jews, there is nothing to discuss.

I disagree that it needs to wait for an indefinite time that may never come. I do agree, as mentioned by @CountValentine that times like now are not the right time.

[CountValentine]

Follow up to this question: Is it possible to have a position that Israel is wrong in the way they are handling the Palestine issue and still condemn the terrorist organization Hammas?


Kardashians Speak Out on Israeli–Palestinian Conflict After Kylie Backlash
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kardashians-speak-out-on-israeli-palestinian-conflict-after-kylie-backlash/ar-AA1hZjJt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e8c42fadc0a47ae8d52149a1ca41034&ei=2


"It is absolutely reasonable and logical to be opposed to the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians while simultaneously calling for the protection of Jews in Israel and around the world," the statement reads.

"I understand many of us are afraid to voice an opinion because the crisis there is so nuanced and hard to understand, and we are afraid of saying the wrong thing. But we can—and must—always use our voices to denounce terrorism and the senseless murder of civilians."

[yuneeq]

World war 2 was a terrible time in history, many people died, including victims of American war crimes and German ones too.

Technically accurate statements can also be extremely irrational and unbalanced. 2 sides existing doesn’t mean both are in the same stratosphere.

[CountValentine]

Technically accurate statements can also be extremely irrational and unbalanced.

The same as analogies.

[yuneeq]

The same as analogies.

Using poor analogies in an online forum is like eating soup with a hammer

[aygart]

https://twitter.com/hillary__vaughn/status/1711908229762945088

[yelped]

@CountValentine Don't remember in which thread you asked about how the UN was on the side of terrorists yet again: https://unitedwithisrael.org/how-many-dead-jews-does-it-take-israeli-ambassador-slams-un-equivocation-on-hamas-slaughter/

[AsherO]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/a-left-that-refuses-to-condemn-mass-murder-is-doomed.html

[yelped]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/a-left-that-refuses-to-condemn-mass-murder-is-doomed.html

I get your point of why you posted this, but I don't like to read self-righteous, racist scumbags thoughts on how to dominate the viewpoint.

[mevinyavin]

This is what they are saying about the situation, and sounding so logical... The problem is that there is a lot of truth - hard truth - mixed in with the opinions being expressed as truth. Thoughts?
(FT editorial)