Author Topic: Get Refusal (Read 76863 times)

imayid2 · « **Reply #620 on:** September 17, 2023, 10:59:25 PM »

Quote from: Mordyk on September 17, 2023, 10:56:53 PM

What does a prenuptial agreement help?

There are different types. The RCA one has financial penalties for failing to show to BD. Also it legally bind them to BDs determinations.

koplonko · « **Reply #621 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:00:23 PM »

Quote from: neveryou on September 15, 2023, 03:53:49 PM

The "Kolel L’horaah Ma’asis" in crown heights, the rosh kollel is part of UOR. Every so often he goes around the kollel asking the yungerlite to sign on a heter meah rabonim

This rosh kollel happens to say that (in his experience) prenups don't usually help anything

koplonko · « **Reply #622 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:01:10 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on September 15, 2023, 12:54:53 PM

Rabbi Chaim Jachter, Gray Matter

The prenup only helped twice out of how many cases?

neveryou · « **Reply #623 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:01:51 PM »

Quote from: koplonko on September 17, 2023, 11:00:23 PM

This rosh kollel happens to say that (in his experience) prenups don't usually help anything

In his experience, a cattle prod usually helps

imayid2 · « **Reply #624 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:02:16 PM »

Quote from: koplonko on September 17, 2023, 11:00:23 PM

This rosh kollel happens to say that (in his experience) prenups don't usually help anything

I have heard people involved who say it has helped a lot. I suspect it depends on different communities.

imayid2 · « **Reply #625 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:03:41 PM »

Quote from: koplonko on September 17, 2023, 11:01:10 PM

The prenup only helped twice out of how many cases?

This was written more than 20 years ago. He firmly believes in its effectiveness.

imayid2 · « **Reply #626 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:04:04 PM »

Quote from: neveryou on September 17, 2023, 11:01:51 PM

In his experience, a cattle prod usually helps

Usually that makes the get passul.

letsgettserious · « **Reply #627 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:06:15 PM »

Quote from: letsgettserious on September 15, 2023, 04:54:18 PM

Suppose you get engaged to a girl, and during the engagement she tells you "By the way, just want you to know that if down the road I decide that the marriage is over, you need to agree to immediately finalize the divorce regardless of whether you think the arrangements in place are fair"

Do you go ahead with the wedding?

Be honest

Quote from: imayid2 on September 17, 2023, 10:54:46 PM

FTFY

"our marriage fails" = "one of us decides the marriage has failed"

And in many jurisdictions, Bais Din has no actual power, especially over child custody or "child support"

zh cohen · « **Reply #628 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:06:58 PM »

Quote from: neveryou on September 17, 2023, 10:57:06 PM

That kolel hasn't been open for 10 years.
This is its 4th year

I know that. 10 years ago I heard that he once (or sometimes) came to the Kollel (שע"י המזכירות) to get signatures.

letsgettserious · « **Reply #629 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:07:25 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on September 17, 2023, 11:02:16 PM

I have heard people involved who say it has helped a lot. I suspect it depends on different communities.

It helps the way gun laws help

neveryou · « **Reply #630 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:09:34 PM »

Quote from: zh cohen on September 17, 2023, 11:06:58 PM

I know that. 10 years ago I heard that he once (or sometimes) came to the Kollel (שע"י המזכירות) to get signatures.

now he has has yungerlite do it, unsuspecting yungerlite who trust their rosh kollel

Heard from first hand, that person didn't sign it

zh cohen · « **Reply #631 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:10:33 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on September 17, 2023, 11:04:04 PM

Usually that makes the get passul.

And what about a heter meah rabbonim signed by yungeleit who never learnt (let alone got tested on) אבן העזר and know nothing about the facts of the case?

imayid2 · « **Reply #632 on:** September 17, 2023, 11:50:52 PM »

Quote from: zh cohen on September 17, 2023, 11:10:33 PM

And what about a heter meah rabbonim signed by yungeleit who never learnt (let alone got tested on) אבן העזר and know nothing about the facts of the case?

Works according to some achronim FWIU.

neveryou · « **Reply #633 on:** September 18, 2023, 12:08:38 AM »

Quote from: imayid2 on September 17, 2023, 11:04:04 PM

Usually that makes the get passul.

Will also land you in jail

yfr bachur · « **Reply #634 on:** September 19, 2023, 05:31:35 PM »

Quote from: EliJelly on September 15, 2023, 04:20:28 PM

Don't just keep @Euclid more in suspense, elaborate on the full story please...

In really short, w/o LH:
The RY's son "X" marries a brisker girl with the understanding that he's going to be stayng in EY forever bec briskers wont go to the US based on something the Rav said.
Which is not really a problem, bec he has another brother who's being groomed to be the future RY of The Yeshiva.
The brother dies young from lung cancer, and the father (RY) also dies relatively young.
"X" is told by the gedolim in bnei brak+ that he must go back to the US to take the reigns of the yeshiva,
The gedolim of Brisk disagree...
"X" and his wife do not yet have children (though they were married for a few years).
"X" offers his wife a get bec he's going back...
The wife refused the get...
"X" backed by Ponevitch gets a H100R.
Brisk doesn't like it...