Building Collapses in Surfside, FL

[dovy2]

Is there any camera footage still intact? Maybe they can use that

[cgr]

I started compiling a list, but I got sidetracked reading up on each one. Little kids & even babies.

https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5173656/jewish/Profiles-of-Those-Still-Missing-in-Surfside-Fla-Building-Collapse.htm

[Deal Guy]

My understanding is that there are certain areas that they are refusing to search, and others that they are?

So based on grids that they compiled to figure out where apartments probably ended up, the families involved have a better idea who might be found quicker than others?

[Lurker]

My understanding is that there are certain areas that they are refusing to search, and others that they are?

Where are you getting this understanding from?

[biobook]

I don't get why you need an accurate list now.  They needed names of missing people so that they can contact relatives for photos, DNA samples, dental records so that once they find a person or body or remains, they can identify it.  At this point, missing a name is problematic, because it means they might not have that identifying info.  But what's the concern about duplicate names on the list in the media?  It'll all sort out as they get further along.

[simple26]

Welcome to DDF

Bureaucracy
Nobody actually takes charge, I think this explains why people keep questioning the SAR operation
@Lurker  how about the PUTPAC method ?
 

[Lurker]

Bureaucracy
Nobody actually takes charge I think this explains why people keep questioning the SAR operation
@Lurker  how the PUTPAC method ?

They're doing an audit now. Hopefully they come out with something more accurate in the morning.

[TimT]

Some of the “duplicates” can be jr or sr. There are a few parents & children with the same name.

[cgr]

But what's the concern about duplicate names on the list in the media?  It'll all sort out as they get further along.

Not the media. The rescue effort.
I think it matters if there are 50 people missing vs 150.

[biobook]

Not the media. The rescue effort.
I think it matters if there are 50 people missing vs 150.

Why does it matter at this point?

[Lurker]

I don't get why you need an accurate list now.  They needed names of missing people so that they can contact relatives for photos, DNA samples, dental records so that once they find a person or body or remains, they can identify it.  At this point, missing a name is problematic, because it means they might not have that identifying info.  But what's the concern about duplicate names on the list in the media?  It'll all sort out as they get further along.

Why does it matter at this point?

It's not just about names, it's about accuracy. They need to know who to look for and where to look for them in order to accurately and efficiently assign resources. Without a map of who is where, they could waste days messing with a part of the building where they won't find anyone.

[biobook]

It's not just about names, it's about accuracy. They need to know who to look for and where to look for them in order to accurately and efficiently assign resources. Without a map of who is where, they could waste days messing with a part of the building where they won't find anyone.

Do you really expect them to take the time to update us with every nitty gritty detail of the search?  Do they need us to micromanage their work?  They've all got much more experience than any of us in just this sort of project. 

[Lurker]

Do you really expect them to take the time to update us with every nitty gritty detail of the search?  Do they need us to micromanage their work?  They've all got much more experience than any of us in just this sort of project.

Absolutely not. I'm 100% for letting the pros do what they are trained to do. I'm also perfectly fine not being updated on the details of the what/where/why/how work is being done. But the numbers they're giving us at every press conference match up with those faulty lists. If it turns out they've been working all this time with no map... that would be a screw up of epic proportions.

[Deal Guy]

Where are you getting this understanding from?

I believe I heard them saying that they aren't going near the part of the building that is still standing, as well as east.

[biobook]

Absolutely not. I'm 100% for letting the pros do what they are trained to do. I'm also perfectly fine not being updated on the details of the what/where/why/how work is being done. But the numbers they're giving us at every press conference match up with those faulty lists. If it turns out they've been working all this time with no map... that would be a screw up of epic proportions.

They dug a trench, to get closer to areas where they thought they might hear or sniff (via dogs) where people were.  Someone determined where to dig that, and how long and how wide it would be.  I'm sure that wasn't random, but was based on some knowledge, perhaps where they expected occupied bedrooms to be. There's some field office that is analyzing data and overseeing that effort, but not holding the press conferences. It's the mayors and heads of fire dept who are updating and comforting the families and the public, and for those purposes, the exact number on the list doesn't seem like a high priority.

[ari3]

Absolutely not. I'm 100% for letting the pros do what they are trained to do. I'm also perfectly fine not being updated on the details of the what/where/why/how work is being done. But the numbers they're giving us at every press conference match up with those faulty lists. If it turns out they've been working all this time with no map... that would be a screw up of epic proportions.

Why do you give the benefit of the doubt to the engineers the rescuers and the officials directing the rescue efforts etc.. etc.. but yet when it comes to the missing people you think these same officials are taking the info from faulty media lists.

Additionally they have been working with the same numbers since about a day after the collapse. I didn't see any faulty lists listing that numbers of missing.

I'm not saying the numbers are right I'm saying that I give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't working off of shoddy media reports.

ETA a quote from Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava (as per AP via YWN)

Over the past few days, we have been conducting an audit of our list of missing persons and we have been working to verify and remove duplicates wherever possible,” she said. “I hope you can understand, we’re getting information from lots of different sources and often not complete so it is very important that we go through to cull the list.”

Detectives have been working around the clock, she said, “to get in touch with all those that have been identified and reaching out to provide information to verify the reports.”

[ari3]

https://collive.com/the-rebbe-said-not-to-give-up-on-souls-buried-in-rubble/

[yuneeq]

Just curious - how many of you thought that Christina Beatriz Elvira and Ruth Oliwkowicz OBM were actually the same person? Better to err on the side of collecting all the names and culling the list as better info comes in.

[Abebee]

Nice story, but color me skeptical. Did her part of the building actually come down, or was it in the part that remained standing?
If there was that much time (and time to get towels when the building is falling down ), there would be more survivors from the part of the building that collapsed IMHO.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CQuPeOQnX2_/?utm_medium=copy_link

[ShmuliT]

Privacy

But why would such a list be private?

Perhaps somone was assumed to be in the building when they weren't,  or were reported as missing and later found. How would they know they were even on the list to come forth and remove themselves?