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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2011, 09:06:11 AM »
Unfortunately, this is a very common phenomenon-it's called half shabbos and it means you are "shomer shabbos" but you text on shabbos (I wasn't sure if it included bbm-does it have a din of text or email/google chat. Maybe it's a machlokes haposkim). It's very sad.
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2011, 09:29:34 AM »
I see that we went in a huge machlukas haposkim in regards if keeping this site open for posts on shabbas involves a shaila of lifnei eever. I see that B"H we have rabanim and dayanim here. But this issue has been discussed and written a lot by famous rabanim, (see ohr yisroel volume 39 - about 40 pages about this, with like 15 rabanim writing about this), and they have come to a conclusion that מעיקר הדין there is no איסור  involved in this:
1. a lot of poskim agree that there is no lifnei eever doing a איסור דרבנן
2. there is a thing called: "תרי עברי דנהרא" meaning that if a person would do this anyway, you are not helping him out, and these people would post on FT etc instead, so there is no איסור.
3. since this is not a thing that we give him directly, it's his own choice, there is no איסור involved.
See there for a lot of different היתרים.
But, I do have one big question about keeping this whole site in shabbas, where if somebody would use one of the links to apply for a credit card (for example) and give the owners a referral payment, that should be considered שכר שבת. I have spoken about this with a few rabanim, and nobody got on a real היתר.
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2011, 09:42:42 AM »
Unfortunately, this is a very common phenomenon-it's called half shabbos and it means you are "shomer shabbos" but you text on shabbos (I wasn't sure if it included bbm-does it have a din of text or email/google chat. Maybe it's a machlokes haposkim). It's very sad.

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2011, 09:52:15 AM »

1. a lot of poskim agree that there is no lifnei eever doing a איסור דרבנן

why is it only דרבנן?

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2011, 10:00:33 AM »
PS: I'm in the USA, posting from a european sim/BB, so it would be interesting to see what country showed up ppsting this particular message.

When posting using a BB over cellular network, it shows your BB IP address registered in Waterloo ON (Canada).

On DDF in a desktop browser, you can see the IP addresses for each of your posts.

Unfortunately, this is a very common phenomenon-it's called half shabbos and it means you are "shomer shabbos" but you text on shabbos (I wasn't sure if it included bbm-does it have a din of text or email/google chat. Maybe it's a machlokes haposkim). It's very sad.

Sounds like someone's cognitive dissonance to justify their chillul Shabbos.

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+1 very sad.

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2011, 10:09:26 AM »
Not someone's. It's a whole movement
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2011, 10:12:43 AM »
Not someone's. It's a whole movement

Regardless, there's no halachic legitimacy whatsoever (AFAIK) to keeping 'half Shabbos" ::)

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2011, 10:16:20 AM »
The real shaylah is about the DD links, if someone clicks on them on shabbos, dan is making a profit on shabbos. But many poskim have concluded that this is not a problem for many reasons - including: -money dosnt settle into the account until a few days later -its not actual cash -and many more reasons.

And bichlal the internet should be assur on shabbos because it is chutz ltchum shabbos...
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2011, 10:20:43 AM »
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The real shaylah is about the DD links, if someone clicks on them on shabbos, dan is making a profit on shabbos. But many poskim have concluded that this is not a problem for many reasons - including: -money dosnt settle into the account until a few days later -its not actual cash -and many more reasons.

I think there are many heterim for that.

And bichlal the internet should be assur on shabbos because it is chutz ltchum shabbos...

I hope you're kidding.

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2011, 10:25:08 AM »
I guess they let just anybody use the internet these days...

People are gonna be pretty angry when this whole internet fad is over
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2011, 10:30:54 AM »
He wasn't talking about the people, but about the action. People have no right to decide not to be observant, & while they are usually tinok sheneshba, the actions are not worth of respect.


its about time, someone realized why i was posting this. !thanks.

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2011, 10:31:50 AM »

its about time, someone realized why i was posting this. !thanks.
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2011, 10:36:01 AM »
you guys got it all wrong. the point of my post, was that "if" the people who are posting on shabbos, are not from israel. or are not frum..............................


should DANSDEALS.COM, BE OPEN FOR BUSINESS ON SHABBOS, THUS ALLOWING THEM TO POST ON SHABBOS, ULTIMATELY MAKING DANSDEALS.COM A CONDUIT TO BEING MICHALLEL SHABBOS.

there are many sites that shut down over shabbos, for this problem. im sure you know of a very big electronics website that shuts down over shabbos.

this is a great question for R'Benders, round table discussion.

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #53 on: December 25, 2011, 10:37:16 AM »

"maybe they are in Israel or another time zone, I hope so"

WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS?
Dan,

Im sure you have many people here, that are not shomer shabbos, maybe some of these posts are them. we shouldnt condone it though.

It cant all be posts made from people abroad.
What would I call that?

Being oiver on dan l'kaf zchus.

Which quite frankly is none of my business until you made a public show about something which is none of your business.

you guys got it all wrong. the point of my post, was that "if" the people who are posting on shabbos, are not from israel. or are not frum..............................
And now your story has changed.
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2011, 10:38:17 AM »
I guess they let just anybody use the internet these days...

People are gonna be pretty angry when this whole internet fad is over

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2011, 10:38:59 AM »
You were still oiver on dan lkaf zechus


this is not true, i posted on my original post. "maybe they are from israel.i hope so."

so no i wasnt oiver on anything. maybe this website is oiver "lifnei iver"

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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2011, 10:41:55 AM »
there are many sites that shut down over shabbos, for this problem. im sure you know of a very big electronics website that shuts down over shabbos.
So to be clear, you're recommending that all websites run by jews should be shut down from Eastern time, 11pm Thursday evening until 1am Sunday morning as there can be a jew someplace in the world who will be mechalel shabbos in his local time zone?
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2011, 10:43:05 AM »

this is not true, i posted on my original post. "maybe they are from israel.i hope so."

so no i wasnt oiver on anything. maybe this website is oiver "lifnei iver"
You're ignoring your other statement which proved your entire dan l'kaf z'chus was extremely half-hearted at best.
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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #58 on: December 25, 2011, 10:45:21 AM »
What would I call that?

Being oiver on dan l'kaf zchus.

Which quite frankly is none of my business until you made a public show about something which is none of your business.
And now your story has changed.


i still dont see how my posting of "maybe they are in israel, i hope so." is being oiver dan lkaf zchus, if anything, quite the contrary.

besides, whats the difference what my point is, why dont you just ask a shayla, and report back.

and how is it not my business? i am a member of this board. it should bother me that people are allowed to post on shabbos "IF THERE IS SOMETHING HALACHICALLY WRONG WITH THAT" i did not ask a shayla. it just seems wrong.

if i was a member of a co-op and one member was having parties all night in his apartment, is it not my business to bring it to the board, to see how we deal with it.??


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Re: POSTS ON SHABBOS!!!
« Reply #59 on: December 25, 2011, 10:45:29 AM »
Perhaps ones energy would be better focused on educating people about Shabbos observance and helping them observe it instead of suspecting (possibly nonexistent) culprits and vilifying them and figuring out whether they qualify for ' Moridim Veloo Mallim'.
+1,000

Don't just respect, but love your fellow jew for who they are and the place that they're in and eventually they'll see how beautiful it is to have, respect, and love shabbos.

Villify them for not respecting shabbos and they never will.
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