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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #320 on: September 05, 2022, 10:21:22 PM »
I'd be shocked if this wasn't forthcoming. But these things take time and it needs to be right.

Understood. But until that happens there is no reason to assume that you can rely on an obviously flawed system.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #321 on: September 05, 2022, 10:23:34 PM »
 

Which is why some hashgachos are pushing for much higher wages for mashgichim. It's much easier to find an erliche Yid to take the job if he has a fighting chance at supporting his family on the paycheck.

It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #322 on: September 05, 2022, 10:24:02 PM »
You don't need a background in any of those things. You just need to train the mashgichim on the specifics for what they need to look out for, and hire mashgichim who look at this job as Holy. If they treat it as seriously as one who checks safrus, it eliminates 99% of the problems. The issue is hashgachos and/or mashgichim who look at it as just a way to pay the bills.


Exactly. You need someone with a backbone who will speak up if he sees something not to standards. I knew a mashgiach who was not the most learned but he didn't let a catered stray an inch from the hechshers protocols.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #323 on: September 05, 2022, 10:24:06 PM »
Years ago, I saw boxes of meat being delivered. I remember regular chassidish shechita such as Solomon.

Exactly, it has nothing to do with the OK address and everything to do with the meat supply. Even without the meat supply issues, there are/were dairy places in CH under the OK.

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Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #324 on: September 05, 2022, 10:24:48 PM »
It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.
Chinglish is paying $20/hr plus benefits (see other thread). Still really low for someone trying to raise a family

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #325 on: September 05, 2022, 10:26:17 PM »
Understood. But until that happens there is no reason to assume that you can rely on an obviously flawed system.

We live in an obviously flawed world, but I (personally) wouldn't necessarily extrapolate from this specific situation to every situation.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #326 on: September 05, 2022, 10:26:31 PM »
Typical YWN narcissism to make this about them. Give us the scoop or weíll besmirch you for not replying to us. Are they really in it leshem shomayim and to protect The Peopleís interests? Somehow Iím not so sure.
At this point the best thing going for the OK's credibility is that they ignore ywn
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #327 on: September 05, 2022, 10:26:41 PM »
Chinglish is paying $20/hr plus benefits (see other thread). Still really low for someone trying to raise a family

Even/especially in Vegas.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #328 on: September 05, 2022, 10:27:55 PM »

Exactly. You need someone with a backbone who will speak up if he sees something not to standards. I knew a mashgiach who was not the most learned but he didn't let a catered stray an inch from the hechshers protocols.
This is a very valid point. The job of a mashgiach is more to follow policy than to make sure everything is "kosher". An establishment will lose its hechsher if they don't follow protocol, even if everything remains kosher.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #329 on: September 05, 2022, 10:28:26 PM »
It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.

I know in FL, the official starting rate is $18/hr. However, if you find your own mashgiach and have them certified by the hashgacha, you can set whatever rate you want. The food establishment always has the option to pay more, which many do in hopes of getting more non-hasgacha production from the mashgiach.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #330 on: September 05, 2022, 10:29:17 PM »
At this point the only credibility the OK has is that they ignore ywn
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #332 on: September 05, 2022, 10:32:07 PM »
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #334 on: September 05, 2022, 10:33:54 PM »
You're playing with fire. See the second half of page 283.
Is suspecting a mashgiach of incompetent oversight the same as not believing an Eid echad who tells you he shected or was menaker this animal?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #335 on: September 05, 2022, 10:37:33 PM »
Do we have information on who exactly owns NKS and what's the relation to the owner of KCE? Or who owns GKF? What's the other Brooklyn restaurant?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #336 on: September 05, 2022, 10:40:12 PM »
Is suspecting a mashgiach of incompetent oversight the same as not believing an Eid echad who tells you he shected or was menaker this animal?
If it's just based on the way he looks, why should it matter?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #337 on: September 05, 2022, 10:41:41 PM »
The food establishment always has the option to pay more, which many do in hopes of getting more non-hasgacha production from the mashgiach.
Wouldnít that cause a conflict of interests?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #338 on: September 05, 2022, 10:42:50 PM »
If it's just based on the way he looks, why should it matter?
Because you arenít rejecting נאמנות. Youíre suspecting incompetence. Who cares what that suspicion is based on?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #339 on: September 05, 2022, 10:44:17 PM »
Wouldnít that cause a conflict of interests?

It does become that, especially when the Mashgiach gets a really good wage and canít quickly/easily find another employer paying that. I never understood why the Mashgichim arenít paid by the agency, maybe it has to do with payroll logistics/legalities.
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