Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken

[dasmo801]

I'd be shocked if this wasn't forthcoming. But these things take time and it needs to be right.

Understood. But until that happens there is no reason to assume that you can rely on an obviously flawed system.

[AsherO]

 

Which is why some hashgachos are pushing for much higher wages for mashgichim. It's much easier to find an erliche Yid to take the job if he has a fighting chance at supporting his family on the paycheck.

It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.

[ushdadude]

You don't need a background in any of those things. You just need to train the mashgichim on the specifics for what they need to look out for, and hire mashgichim who look at this job as Holy. If they treat it as seriously as one who checks safrus, it eliminates 99% of the problems. The issue is hashgachos and/or mashgichim who look at it as just a way to pay the bills.

Exactly. You need someone with a backbone who will speak up if he sees something not to standards. I knew a mashgiach who was not the most learned but he didn't let a catered stray an inch from the hechshers protocols.

[Yehuda57]

Years ago, I saw boxes of meat being delivered. I remember regular chassidish shechita such as Solomon.

Exactly, it has nothing to do with the OK address and everything to do with the meat supply. Even without the meat supply issues, there are/were dairy places in CH under the OK.

[Euclid]

It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.

Chinglish is paying $20/hr plus benefits (see other thread). Still really low for someone trying to raise a family

[AsherO]

Understood. But until that happens there is no reason to assume that you can rely on an obviously flawed system.

We live in an obviously flawed world, but I (personally) wouldn't necessarily extrapolate from this specific situation to every situation.

[Chaikel]

Typical YWN narcissism to make this about them. Give us the scoop or we’ll besmirch you for not replying to us. Are they really in it leshem shomayim and to protect The People’s interests? Somehow I’m not so sure.

At this point the best thing going for the OK's credibility is that they ignore ywn

[AsherO]

Chinglish is paying $20/hr plus benefits (see other thread). Still really low for someone trying to raise a family

Even/especially in Vegas.

[avromie7]

Exactly. You need someone with a backbone who will speak up if he sees something not to standards. I knew a mashgiach who was not the most learned but he didn't let a catered stray an inch from the hechshers protocols.

This is a very valid point. The job of a mashgiach is more to follow policy than to make sure everything is "kosher". An establishment will lose its hechsher if they don't follow protocol, even if everything remains kosher.

[Lurker]

It would be interesting to know what Mashgichim get paid in each Hashgacha and whether the Hashgacha or the restaurant sets that rate.

I know in FL, the official starting rate is $18/hr. However, if you find your own mashgiach and have them certified by the hashgacha, you can set whatever rate you want. The food establishment always has the option to pay more, which many do in hopes of getting more non-hasgacha production from the mashgiach.

[avromie7]

At this point the only credibility the OK has is that they ignore ywn

I would like this post, but I can't in good conscience like the first half.

[aygart]

What is he even saying here?
http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2022/08/clevelands-kashrus-operates-right-out.html

It is called innuendo

[Chaikel]

I would like this post, but I can't in good conscience like the first half.

you're right. Reworded

[Dan]

It is called innuendo

Looks like a Jewish 4Chan Forum

 

[imayid2]

You're playing with fire. See the second half of page 283.

Is suspecting a mashgiach of incompetent oversight the same as not believing an Eid echad who tells you he shected or was menaker this animal?

[Dan]

Do we have information on who exactly owns NKS and what's the relation to the owner of KCE? Or who owns GKF? What's the other Brooklyn restaurant?

[avromie7]

Is suspecting a mashgiach of incompetent oversight the same as not believing an Eid echad who tells you he shected or was menaker this animal?

If it's just based on the way he looks, why should it matter?

[imayid2]

The food establishment always has the option to pay more, which many do in hopes of getting more non-hasgacha production from the mashgiach.

Wouldn’t that cause a conflict of interests?

[imayid2]

If it's just based on the way he looks, why should it matter?

Because you aren’t rejecting נאמנות. You’re suspecting incompetence. Who cares what that suspicion is based on?

[AsherO]

Wouldn’t that cause a conflict of interests?

It does become that, especially when the Mashgiach gets a really good wage and can’t quickly/easily find another employer paying that. I never understood why the Mashgichim aren’t paid by the agency, maybe it has to do with payroll logistics/legalities.