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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #280 on: September 05, 2022, 09:39:12 PM »
IIRC someone once showed me this from Rí Moshe in אגרות משה beshem his father.
Rav Reuven gives the source, a lot of what he says is written in IG"M OC 1:53.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #281 on: September 05, 2022, 09:40:39 PM »
More like I want the mashgiach to at least look like he has yiras shamayim.

Based on what I heard today, it's impossible that the frum guy didn't know what was going on.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #282 on: September 05, 2022, 09:41:35 PM »
The same family owns other restaurants?
yes per yudel shain on his website...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #283 on: September 05, 2022, 09:43:00 PM »
Based on what I heard today, it's impossible that the frum guy didn't know what was going on.
How so?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #284 on: September 05, 2022, 09:44:28 PM »
Are there levels of טמטום הלב? Once your לב is מטומטם can it get worse? Asking for someone who grew up in Monsey and ate in Manalapan Chinese a few weeks ago :(

If Teshuva (meíahava) can transform the transgression of eating not Kosher, it can ostensibly also address the טמטום הלב at least as seen through the lens of Tanya FWIU.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #285 on: September 05, 2022, 09:47:54 PM »
The allegations aren't that something was missed or something happened. It's that the system was rotten with flashing red lights.

What allegations? Is there something you know that people in this thread donít?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #286 on: September 05, 2022, 09:49:15 PM »
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The OK has been on top of this since being told. They have looked at all the cameras, searched the restaurant, spoken to the mashgiach and are very confident nothing non Kosher was ever brought into the store.

They were told the non Kosher items were bought for another store.

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2022/09/kashrus-update-from-gkrf-facebook-group.html
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #287 on: September 05, 2022, 09:49:18 PM »
What allegations? Is there something you know that people in this thread donít?

Really? The allegations are that the food was simply bought treif...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #288 on: September 05, 2022, 09:50:10 PM »
Explained by being a few doors down from OK office.

What meats do they use? Itís possible they wanted more options that what was available/approved by the CH BD (CHĒK).
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #289 on: September 05, 2022, 09:50:33 PM »
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''YUdel Shain from Lakewood was the original Hashgocha on the Manalapan chinese restaurant and the owner was KEN. Reb Yudel then brought in the OK as it was located in an area that may have needed a National name hashgocha as well. Reb Yudel did not allow the owner to have a key to the restaurant.
Reb yudel was there at least twice a week to inspect and check on the mashgichim if they are on top of the situation. Reb Yudel even forced the owner to dismiss his own mother as she was not complying with the mashgichim.
Two years ahead Rabbi DYL of the OK decided to allow the owner to have keys to the restaurant.
At that point, Reb Yudel notified DYL and KEN, that heís leaving.

The Mashgichim had a number of serious kashrus issues, they called DYL of the OK, to pull the Hashgocha. Rabbi DYL said ďitís lean times, so we canít drop any hashgochasĒ.

Soon after KEN sold it to his Cousin Henry.
The family has two kosher chinese restaurants in Brooklyn, one in Fairlawn, (one in Elizabeth) one non-kosher in philly. FYI- There is a restaurant Depot right near the non-kosher restaurant in Philly.

Soon after that, Yudelís Mashgichim left the place and were replaced with the current one.

Every year before Chanukah, Yudel put on his blog a warning not to trust the Manalapan Chinese Restaurant''

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #290 on: September 05, 2022, 09:51:34 PM »
Really? The allegations are that the food was simply bought treif...

The allegations are that the owner of the restaurant was buying non-Kosher chicken/meat in bulk. I havenít heard any allegations of what actually happened at the establishment, let alone confirmation thereof.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #291 on: September 05, 2022, 09:53:01 PM »
Really? The allegations are that the food was simply bought treif...
but did it end up in Manalapan? they are not saying

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #292 on: September 05, 2022, 09:53:46 PM »
What meats do they use? Itís possible they wanted more options that what was available/approved by the CH BD (CHĒK).
BBQ cuts are in limited supply. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason not to use CHK.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #293 on: September 05, 2022, 09:54:41 PM »
Really? The allegations are that the food was simply bought treif...
Owner could have copied the mashgiach's key without his knowledge and found a way to bring in treif food. Endless possibilities here and they're all guesses.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #294 on: September 05, 2022, 09:55:23 PM »
BBQ cuts are in limited supply. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason not to use CHK.

I donít know anything about this, but that would be my first assumption.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #295 on: September 05, 2022, 09:56:47 PM »
More like I want the mashgiach to at least look like he has yiras shamayim.

Based on what I heard today, it's impossible that the frum guy didn't know what was going on.
You're playing with fire. See the second half of page 283.









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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #296 on: September 05, 2022, 09:58:20 PM »
A part of the problem as to why this keeps happening is because of the people that kasharus agencies hire.

Mashgchim may (or may not) know the ins and outs of kasharus but we would probably be better served if they had science, accounting, or investigative backgrounds.
Keeps happening is a very harsh statement. We know of what 3 occurrences in 30 years?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #297 on: September 05, 2022, 10:00:43 PM »
Keeps happening is a very harsh statement. We know of what 3 occurrences in 30 years?
only so much you can do, like trusting our children with Rabbeim, counslers etc.... that 1 percent chance theyre a predator

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #298 on: September 05, 2022, 10:02:28 PM »
I donít want to confuse this thread too much, but apparently something happened at another OK-certified establishment in Manhattan recently, not sure if itís as severe.

Hereís the Facebook thread discussing it:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/gkrfoodies/posts/2052131911639442/

There are details about what may have happened in the comments there

YeahThatsKosher also had them listed as having lost their supervision

This Tweet claims they got another Hashgacha:
https://twitter.com/KosherMapNYC/status/1457766176264708104
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #299 on: September 05, 2022, 10:04:23 PM »


You're playing with fire. See the second half of page 283.

This is in igros

Feelings don't care about your facts