Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[moko]

I don’t remember anything about טומאה בלועה in regards to these appliances from Rav Moshe. He says you need to be טובל the בית קיבול but not the electric parts which don’t touch the food (אג״מ יו״ד א נ״ז).
By a coffee machine the heating element is a בית קיבול which touches the food.

I meant בית הסתרים

[jye]

There was a article posted a while back from mishpocha about this discussion. Cant remember where.

https://mishpacha.com/step-up-to-the-plate/

Mostly the second half of the article. Some excerpts:

“It’s a complete hefker velt out there with the party planners,” says Rabbi Tzvi Fischer, rosh havaad of Oregon Kosher. He was recently in Monsey for a wedding, when a scrumptious dessert table was rolled out featuring a mouthwatering display of yodels, brownies, mini cakes, and cupcakes. Rabbi Fischer, who is intimately familiar with kashrus matters, knew to ask the hall’s mashgiach if the dessert table was under his hashgachah. When the fellow replied in the negative, Rabbi Fischer asked how he could certify the hall and not the dessert table, only to be told that “alleh veissen — everyone knows” — that the dessert tables aren’t under his purview, but are the responsibility of the party planner.

Rabbi Fischer approached the party planner, who admitted that she didn’t have a hashgachah herself, but that she only bought her products from “heimish people.” Rabbi Fischer then asked if he could see the packages, but the party planner refused — she didn’t want to give away her vendors, claiming these were trade secrets.  Rabbi Fischer persisted. He’s from Portland, almost 3,000 miles from Monsey, he explained, and she didn’t have to be concerned about his competition.

He finally got access to the boxes, which had the information of each home business on it. Rabbi Fischer made a few calls to discern what products each vendor had used, and after some sleuth work discovered that one of the cakes on the table used carmine — a nonkosher, insect-sourced topping favored by food artists for its brilliant red color”

“while we’re talking in the kitchen, we are joined by a self-described “foodie” who comes over to take part in the discussion; he shows me a dozen or so social media photos, culled from business accounts with explicitly heimish (and slightly entertaining) names advertising their culinary creations for the world to see. I’m a bit taken aback by the photos of green asparagus, for example, which is generally highly-infested and according to most authorities, can be eaten only after discarding the head of the vegetable and peeling off the brads (triangle-shaped leaves), then checking from the bottom for a cavity running lengthwise. Yet in photo after luscious photo, whole asparagus stalks are laid out in all their sautéed glory, accompanying grilled steak. Fresh raspberries and blackberries — both considered as infested produce and notoriously hard to clean —  crown yogurt cups and complement meat dishes. And these accounts are ostensibly kosher.“

[dm123]

Anything to do with Manalapan?

[imayid2]

It needs to be nir'eh l'einayim. If you can't tell that it's a bug without magnification, it's not nir'eh l'einayim.

It’s נראה לענים when it’s alive. It doesn’t lose it’s status when it’s dead.

[imayid2]

IIRC the Taz’s opinion wasn’t without dispute (I need to check on that)

Also see רע״א in קכ א

[imayid2]

I meant בית הסתרים

That would only help if the כלי would actually be toveled. Besides the problem that that is in reference to a non integral part of what you are trying to tovel, something that can not be said for the inside of the keurig.

[moko]

That would only help if the כלי would actually be toveled. Besides the problem that that is in reference to a non integral part of what you are trying to tovel, something that can not be said for the inside of the keurig.

1. Obviously.
2. Why is one more integral than the other?

[imayid2]

1. Obviously.
2. Why is one more integral than the other?

1. People are afraid to tovel electronic devices.
2. Because it’s the part that is required to be toveled. It’s a metal בית הקיבול. FWIU it needs actual ביאת מים. Rav Moshe was talking about the little part which is covered by the plug. That part isn’t מחייב anything. It’s חיוב טבילה is incidental due to it being part of the rest of the kli.

[avromie7]

It’s נראה לענים when it’s alive. It doesn’t lose it’s status when it’s dead.

What changes? Either it looks like a bug or it doesn't.

[chinagel]

What changes? Either it looks like a bug or it doesn't.

It crawls.

[avromie7]

It crawls.

Who said that defines nir'eh l'einayim.

[imayid2]

What changes? Either it looks like a bug or it doesn't.

Not understanding.
Would a piece of chazir become mutar if it dried up and now resembles a twig but out of pure curiosity  a DNA test is done which confirms it is 100% pig?

[imayid2]

Who said that defines nir'eh l'einayim.

Huh?
Can you eat a creepy crawler which is crawling in front of you just because you can’t discern it’s eye balls?

[avromie7]

Huh?
Can you eat a creepy crawler which is crawling in front of you just because you can’t discern it’s eye balls?

What if you see it moving, but can't discern its legs?

[avromie7]

Not understanding.
Would a piece of chazir become mutar if it dried up and now resembles a twig but out of pure curiosity  a DNA test is done which confirms it is 100% pig?

Ok so you're saying the bug dried and now it shrunk or became disfigured?

[imayid2]

What if you see it moving, but can't discern its legs?

Of course it’s a problem. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

[imayid2]

Ok so you're saying the bug dried and now it shrunk or became disfigured?

Or alternatively it didn’t shrink or become shriveled but stopped moving.

[avromie7]

Of course it’s a problem. I have no idea how you could think otherwise.

It doesn't look like a bug. You're using external factors to figure out that it's a bug.

[imayid2]

Vinegar eels are 50 microns wide. They are only discernible while writhing. They are extensively discussed in the achronim.

[avromie7]

Vinegar eels are 50 microns wide. They are only discernible while writhing. They are extensively discussed in the achronim.

Sorry, I'm not familiar.