Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[imayid2]

I would find this sevara difficult to attribute to Rav Belsky based on what he writes about that to lose the status of a beryah the loss of limb must be noticeable without magnification. I cannot believe that one can see if a bug lost an eye.

Rabbi Eli Gersten
Rabbinic Coordinator

C-24
 Document C-24
When does a tiny bugs lose its status as a beryah?
December 1999
Rabbi Neuberger
 
As per Rav Belsky on the 29th of Kislev:
If the loss of the limb can be seen with the same method or power of sight, which was employed in identifying the bug as a bug, then that is considered that it loss a limb.  However, if a magnification is required to see that a limb was lost, beyond the magnification which identified the bug as not a dot, as seen by the naked eye, but as a bug, it would not be permitted due to this loss of limb.
Rav Belsky read and signed this

[JMHO]

Asher ekstein? Is from Brooklyn

*Rabbi Asher Ekstein

[ushdadude]

C-24
 Document C-24
When does a tiny bugs lose its status as a beryah?
December 1999
Rabbi Neuberger
 
As per Rav Belsky on the 29th of Kislev:
If the loss of the limb can be seen with the same method or power of sight, which was employed in identifying the bug as a bug, then that is considered that it loss a limb.  However, if a magnification is required to see that a limb was lost, beyond the magnification which identified the bug as not a dot, as seen by the naked eye, but as a bug, it would not be permitted due to this loss of limb.
Rav Belsky read and signed this

intersting. so r belsky held that is something looks like dirt you don't need to magnify to confirm id?

[Traveler718]

Have you asked your LOR if selling it to a גוי would be an option? It can be much cheaper!

Yes, my Rav said selling to a guy is not a valid option for long-term use. He also didn't hold of the various svaros for why it wouldn't need tevila altogether, hence the need for a Yid to take it apart and reassemble it. If anyone knows a place in Brooklyn - a store or handyman or appliance repair guy - that could do it for me, I would be extremely grateful.

[ushdadude]

Yes, my Rav said selling to a guy is not a valid option for long-term use. He also didn't hold of the various svaros for why it wouldn't need tevila altogether, hence the need for a Yid to take it apart and reassemble it. If anyone knows a place in Brooklyn - a store or handyman or appliance repair guy - that could do it for me, I would be extremely grateful.

Which part exactly is the issue? The needle?

[yitzgar]

Which part exactly is the issue? The needle?

Isn't there a metal heating element that touches the water?

[ushdadude]

Isn't there a metal heating element that touches the water?

if there is, is that a keli? (asking for real)

[imayid2]

if there is, is that a keli? (asking for real)

There is. Yes.

[yuneeq]

if there is, is that a keli? (asking for real)

It's part of a keli

[ushdadude]

It's part of a keli

Oh got it. Like a kumkum. I was picturing separate coils

[moko]

Have you asked your LOR if selling it to a גוי would be an option? It can be much cheaper!

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יתננו לעובד כוכבים במתנה כו'. נ"ל דהאי תיקונא אינו אלא לפי שעה דהיינו לאותו שבת או בחול כל זמן שאין לו מקוה אבל לאחר השבת או שיזדמן לו מקוה כיון שישתקע עולמית ביד ישראל ודאי הוי כלקוח בידו ולא עדיף ממשכן עובד כוכבים ביד ישראל ודעתו לשקוע דצריך טבילה


How do you get around the Taz?

[imayid2]

Yes, my Rav said selling to a guy is not a valid option for long-term use. He also didn't hold of the various svaros for why it wouldn't need tevila altogether, hence the need for a Yid to take it apart and reassemble it. If anyone knows a place in Brooklyn - a store or handyman or appliance repair guy - that could do it for me, I would be extremely grateful.

The SOP of people doing this isn’t taking apart and reassembled it. It is disengaging the safety switch so the keurig wouldn’t operate until the electric is reattached. Make sure your rabbi knows this!

[moko]

It's part of a keli

doesn't R Moshe have tshuva regarding items like sandwich makers, grills, etc in which je writes that only the food contact plates require tevilas mad views the hearing section as separate, attached kli for which he uses tuma'a balu'a fir the attached section?
I'm on the road so I can't look it up wrote now. Perhaps one of the other Talmidei Chachamim here can post it.

[imayid2]

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יתננו לעובד כוכבים במתנה כו'. נ"ל דהאי תיקונא אינו אלא לפי שעה דהיינו לאותו שבת או בחול כל זמן שאין לו מקוה אבל לאחר השבת או שיזדמן לו מקוה כיון שישתקע עולמית ביד ישראל ודאי הוי כלקוח בידו ולא עדיף ממשכן עובד כוכבים ביד ישראל ודעתו לשקוע דצריך טבילה


How do you get around the Taz?

IIRC the Taz’s opinion wasn’t without dispute (I need to check on that) and the למעשה would depend on how comfortable one is with what is being done to be considered “broken”.
I’ve sold my keurig for a specified amount of time to mitigate the Taz’s concerns somewhat.

[yitzgar]

doesn't R Moshe have tshuva regarding items like sandwich makers, grills, etc in which je writes that only the food contact plates require tevilas mad views the hearing section as separate, attached kli for which he uses tuma'a balu'a fir the attached section?
I'm on the road so I can't look it up wrote now. Perhaps one of the other Talmidei Chachamim here can post it.

Idk, but I could hear a difference between a coil which can't hold food or liquid by itself vs a sandwich maker plate

[moko]

Idk, but I could hear a difference between a coil which can't hold food or liquid by itself vs a sandwich maker plate

I would compare the heating coil to the heating element on an electric grill even though it has food contact

[imayid2]

[imayid2]

doesn't R Moshe have tshuva regarding items like sandwich makers, grills, etc in which je writes that only the food contact plates require tevilas mad views the hearing section as separate, attached kli for which he uses tuma'a balu'a fir the attached section?

I don’t remember anything about טומאה בלועה in regards to these appliances from Rav Moshe. He says you need to be טובל the בית קיבול but not the electric parts which don’t touch the food (אג״מ יו״ד א נ״ז).
By a coffee machine the heating element is a בית קיבול which touches the food.

[Essen est zich]

THIS!


I'm not saying people selling out of their home without a Hechsher is perfectly fine, but presumably when they use their own kitchen they will at least keep to their own standards. Party planners are about what the event looks like (and possibly tastes). I've never heard of a party planner with any Kashrus standard. Unless you specify for the planner what you will accept, there's absolutely no boundaries.

There was a article posted a while back from mishpocha about this discussion. Cant remember where.

[avromie7]

intersting. so r belsky held that is something looks like dirt you don't need to magnify to confirm id?

It needs to be nir'eh l'einayim. If you can't tell that it's a bug without magnification, it's not nir'eh l'einayim.