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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #840 on: December 23, 2022, 11:36:07 AM »
The live from the transformer is attached to one side of the bell only (and not the buzzer), the other end from the bell gets attached to the buzzer along with the other neutral wire from the transformer. The circuit is complete when the button is pressed. Simple stuff
You have a bell and buzzer? Now I am lost.  :)
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #841 on: December 23, 2022, 11:57:55 AM »
You have a bell and buzzer? Now I am lost.  :)
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #842 on: December 23, 2022, 12:16:48 PM »
ETA
Let's try this again ;D

From the transformer the live gets attached to to the 1st wire from the button, the neutral gets attached to one end of the buzzer. The 2nd  wire from the button gets attached to the 2nd side of the buzzer
So how are you getting 10v across the two wires, B/C? This is where I get confused.
From the transformer the live gets attached to to the 1st wire from the button = A
the neutral gets attached to one end of the buzzer = B
The 2nd  wire from the button gets attached to the 2nd side of the buzzer = C
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #843 on: December 23, 2022, 02:30:43 PM »
So how are you getting 10v across the two wires, B/C? This is where I get confused.
From the transformer the live gets attached to to the 1st wire from the button = A
the neutral gets attached to one end of the buzzer = B
The 2nd  wire from the button gets attached to the 2nd side of the buzzer = C
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #844 on: December 23, 2022, 03:03:11 PM »
When all else fails
How are you getting 10v at the two wires at the buzzer without pushing the doorbell? Or was this measured some other way?
It comes in at 10v AC, does that make sense?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #845 on: December 23, 2022, 03:25:16 PM »
How are you getting 10v at the two wires at the buzzer without pushing the doorbell? Or was this measured some other way?
The connection between the transformer and button is at the buzzer (can be seen in the OP picture covered in tape)

They are only using two wire runs instead of 3
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #846 on: December 25, 2022, 10:41:17 AM »
Oy!

The buzzer arrived. I went and put on the two wires to test it and everything worked beautifully, after closing everything up bam it stops working. I can't figure what's wrong, it seems with the bell disconnected there is continuity between the two contacts somehow.
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #847 on: December 25, 2022, 10:49:09 AM »
Oy!

The buzzer arrived. I went and put on the two wires to test it and everything worked beautifully, after closing everything up bam it stops working. I can't figure what's wrong, it seems with the bell disconnected there is continuity between the two contacts somehow.
Tape the wires up well to ensure the conductors do not contact each other or the metal housing of the buzzer.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #848 on: December 25, 2022, 12:06:25 PM »
Tape the wires up well to ensure the conductors do not contact each other or the metal housing of the buzzer.
I took down the buzzer, no wires connected and there's continuity between the two contacts
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #849 on: December 25, 2022, 01:59:27 PM »
I took down the buzzer, no wires connected and there's continuity between the two contacts
There should be continuity between the two contacts of the buzzer, with the resistance of the coil of wire it contains. My concern was that when you pushed the buzzer against the wall to mount it, wires may have made contact where they shouldn't have, for example the two wires from the transformer touching each other, either directly or through the metal housing of the buzzer.

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #850 on: December 25, 2022, 02:32:53 PM »
There should be continuity between the two contacts of the buzzer, with the resistance of the coil of wire it contains. My concern was that when you pushed the buzzer against the wall to mount it, wires may have made contact where they shouldn't have, for example the two wires from the transformer touching each other, either directly or through the metal housing of the buzzer.
My mistake, I just looked up how these buzzeres work, there's continuity unless the dong hits the bell then it looses continuity.
I tested it with DC and the bell works, the only think I can think the problem is here is there's some sort of continuity between the two wires coming from the transformer. I tested with the multimeter it gets some numbers and not a real beep, I believe it was like that originally though and it was working originally.

I'm also trying to understand how the buzzer is supposed to work with AC and DC

If it's indeed the two wires touching wouldn't it short?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #851 on: January 02, 2023, 11:54:35 PM »
recently moved into a rented house, and there is not much smoke/co alarms in. (maybe 1 or 2) but I want more. however I want to buy ones that talk to each other, but....I don't want to have them hardwired in. so is there a combo co/smoke alarm that would work on battery power/or outlet but at the same time if one would get tripped from smoke/co then all of them would ring? like on bluetooth or some other connection?  thanks for your help
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #852 on: January 03, 2023, 01:23:02 AM »
recently moved into a rented house, and there is not much smoke/co alarms in. (maybe 1 or 2) but I want more. however I want to buy ones that talk to each other, but....I don't want to have them hardwired in. so is there a combo co/smoke alarm that would work on battery power/or outlet but at the same time if one would get tripped from smoke/co then all of them would ring? like on bluetooth or some other connection?  thanks for your help
Like this?

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #853 on: January 03, 2023, 10:54:28 AM »
recently moved into a rented house, and there is not much smoke/co alarms in. (maybe 1 or 2) but I want more. however I want to buy ones that talk to each other, but....I don't want to have them hardwired in. so is there a combo co/smoke alarm that would work on battery power/or outlet but at the same time if one would get tripped from smoke/co then all of them would ring? like on bluetooth or some other connection?  thanks for your help
I have one of these on each floor: https://www.firstalert.com/us/en/products/alarms/combo-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarms/sco501cn-3st-wireless-interconnected-combo-smoke-co-alarm-w-voice-alerts-sco501cn-3st/

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #856 on: January 03, 2023, 08:50:59 PM »
Randomish question but why would someone want the interconnected detectors? I've had them forced upon me but wouldn't install them of my own volition. What's the advantage supposed to be, hearing false alarms amplified by 10 speakers at once? In a genuine emergency is there a big advantage to these? They'd only add value in a room where neither the smoke nor the sound from another room was noticeable

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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #857 on: January 03, 2023, 09:22:48 PM »
Randomish question but why would someone want the interconnected detectors? I've had them forced upon me but wouldn't install them of my own volition. What's the advantage supposed to be, hearing false alarms amplified by 10 speakers at once? In a genuine emergency is there a big advantage to these? They'd only add value in a room where neither the smoke nor the sound from another room was noticeable
Kids room downstairs?
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #858 on: January 03, 2023, 09:33:33 PM »
Randomish question but why would someone want the interconnected detectors? I've had them forced upon me but wouldn't install them of my own volition. What's the advantage supposed to be, hearing false alarms amplified by 10 speakers at once? In a genuine emergency is there a big advantage to these? They'd only add value in a room where neither the smoke nor the sound from another room was noticeable
When you sleep, you don't want to wait till it's too late rl, detectors aren't supposed to be installed directly over your stove, i don't remember the last time we had a false alarm
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Re: I need Electric Help... Any electricians out there?
« Reply #859 on: January 03, 2023, 10:27:02 PM »
Randomish question but why would someone want the interconnected detectors? I've had them forced upon me but wouldn't install them of my own volition. What's the advantage supposed to be, hearing false alarms amplified by 10 speakers at once? In a genuine emergency is there a big advantage to these? They'd only add value in a room where neither the smoke nor the sound from another room was noticeable
Nearly every house has that scenario you mention in the last sentence. I won't necessarily hear the alarm in my basement when I'm on my second floor (especially if the basement door is closed). Beyond that, in a false alarm, you can silence them all from any alarm, not just the one that was triggered. And my units are have voice/location. That means it says [fire/carbon monxide] in [kitchen/basement/upstairs]. I had a dryer fire a few years ago. My wife had food on the stovetop /oven and wouldn't necessarily have reacted with as much urgency if it hadn't said fire in basement, because she would've thought it was from something in the kitchen.